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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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you're on with gene and chris on the

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power cast this week and as our regular

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listeners know

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every so often saying

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nine months or a year we have something

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called a listener round table where

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people who are active

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participants in our forums at

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form.powercast.com

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come on to talk shop to talk about

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things talk about the paranormal field

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talk even about other subjects because

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sometimes we get really flexible there

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and we're going to have another one of

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those today and we're featuring

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gogs makai who's a moderator on our

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forums and

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hails from scotland

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and he's got the greatest accent in the

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world he doesn't have to be sean connery

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but he

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really sounds great just listening to

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him right goggs

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if you say so i it doesn't sound so

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great to me but i i quite like american

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accents as i've said before you didn't

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audition by the way for the role of

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scotty and star trek did you er no i

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didn't uh is simon pegg not doing it

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he is as a matter of fact he co-wrote

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the next episode star trek beyond

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i find that a bit of a disappointment

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not that he's a bad actor or possibly

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writer but um he doesn't i think

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jimmy doing yeah he i think he did a

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better scottish accent than simon pig

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and jimmy doing was canadian yes like

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bill shatner there you go

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kurt collins

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you're from the south somewhere though

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i am i'm uh yeah in the jackson

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mississippi area so i've got bring a

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little bit of a southern accent to

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things well this creates a show that has

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a worldwide appeal i love it

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and then we're going to add don ecker

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and so we get a nice philly accent too

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so we're we're accent heavy here i love

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don ecker from the dark mattress radio

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show

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and now they've got lots of dark matters

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going on there you know there's a tv

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show a sci-fi show called dark matter

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you heard about that don

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oh yeah sure everybody has ripped off my

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name everybody

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yeah dog pile so what we're gonna do

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is talk shop talk about things are going

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on in the world of science ufos

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very rare excursions into the world of

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politics but i just want to mention one

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thing too and that is

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since last november november of 2014

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we've had not just one radio show but

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two radio shows the other radio show is

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called after the power cast and we made

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it part of the power cast plus

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which is the enhanced or premium version

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of the show you get the ad-free version

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of this show we kill 41 minutes of

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network ads

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and then we include this other show

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called after the power cast which is

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open-ended it could be

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interviews continuations of the regular

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in our last

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edition of the show where we featured

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greg bishop and walter bosley we've had

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nick redfern on there we've had kurt

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collins on there

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so of course it can be anything or just

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me and chris talking shop

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after the power cast we also have this

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special thing to give away it's not

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going to happen forever chris is saying

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i can't keep giving away income but he's

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giving away a free copy of stalking the

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tricksters the ebook version for those

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who subscribe for one year or five years

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plus.theparacast.com don ecker welcome

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back it's been a while since we've had

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you on what you've been up to oh buddy

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well i've been uh basically hanging in

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there vicky and i have got a few things

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that we've been uh doing involved in

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one thing of course living here in sunny

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southern california

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in the middle of a

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mind-bending drought all right

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things have been so dry it's been beyond

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belief so to make a long story short

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every year

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the fire department comes around and

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checks everybody's property to make sure

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that you're in compliance

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so in the off chance god forbid we have

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a fire

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your place isn't going to go up in smoke

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well they came by about a month ago

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and they said guess what gang you've got

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a lot of work to do so we hired some

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yard people to come out and seven

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hundred dollars later gene

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we hired a yard guys to come out and

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give the landscape a haircut including

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my palm tree i might add which would

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have been a real roman candle if we had

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a fire

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so now i'm in compliance and everybody's

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happy well it doesn't strike me as being

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anything more than a financial annoyance

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annoyance

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yeah yeah you might say that

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especially if you saw vicki's list of

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things we gotta do

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okay now we're not gonna do them for

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another month so there you go

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wow well as you see of course as usual

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the ufo field is going to hell in a

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bread basket

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you've noticed that who me

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yes you noticing i've been noticing that

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for the last for decades

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what are you talking about

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it's not it's not new news it's just

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more old news

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yeah really that's

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you know situation normal all screwed up

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yeah i've been seeing more and more

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articles uh talking about the death of

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ufology we we did discuss this a little

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bit with walter and greg and i i'm

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you know i've been disassociating myself

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with that field ever since i got

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involved in the first place 20 plus

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years ago i i just you know i just

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shuddered when people say oh you're a

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ufologist and i'm like no

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call me anything but that

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perhaps dawn should uh update his uh 20

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years in the ufo wilderness piece add

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another

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yeah my 20 years in the ufo fog is that

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what you're talking about yes yes that's

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it yeah

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well uh

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still a lot of fog

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not

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got to be very honest what i when i left

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the magazine

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uh all the way back in 2006

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2007

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and my wife vicki bailed out

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uh you know there hasn't been a heck of

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a lot

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that i've really been

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interested in with the exception

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of uh of questions about the moan now as

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a matter of fact i just recently

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had a uh about a two hour chat

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with of all people bob kiviat the guy

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the moon special that was on last year

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producer on

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and he had some very interesting things

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to say now one of my biggest

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complaints about that show at the time

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dealt with the inclusion of what i felt

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to be some very questionable crap

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that was pushed into the production

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including the so-called alien female

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mummy

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that was uh thrown around and suggested

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it was discovered on the moon which

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come on guys that that was total bs

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and uh he knew from the get-go i've

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always been extremely unhappy with that

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and the other day he told me he was

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forced

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by the network to include that and there

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are some other things that are ongoing

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in the wings right now so it's going to

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be interesting to see where that ends up

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just for our listener's sake if you're

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wondering about bob kivia

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we had him and don ecker on the power

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cast a long time ago december 20th

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2009 and you know i don't i think we had

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a very pleasant experience with mr

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gene now it's not that we necessarily

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got into a fight with mr kivit i just

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thought maybe he was a wee bit too

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full of himself

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if you get the picture but that's just

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me maybe it was just a case of oil and

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that i know period and i'm talking about

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dozens and dozens of production people

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and production companies that has

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consistently

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attempted to cover this this area let's

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do our break now don ecker goggs makai

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kurt collins gene and chris

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so it's kind of a listeners roundtable

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shop talk episode

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with goggs mackay one of our forum

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moderators kurt collins who participates

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in the forum but is also very active

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in ufo research don ecker of the dark

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matters radio show

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and we were talking here about lunar

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mysteries

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and again we did an episode with

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don and bob cavett

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many many years ago now don't forget the

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one with david childress

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and he tried to slip into a discussion

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on james bond when we were trying to do

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the moan gene well i can't wait to talk

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about james bond since there's a new

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james bond movie coming out hector

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specter

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yes and the question is who is playing

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blofeld but that's not anything we're

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going to talk about i heard it i heard

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it was you

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you see the difference is instead of

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having a cat

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no you i heard it was robert beard

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yeah we don't want to get into that

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please that's

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something that

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is going to cause all sorts of headaches

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later i want to hear about how evil

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hollywood is you know it seems like

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they're the uh you know every time that

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they approach the

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paranormal topic that so many shortcuts

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and compromises are are necessary and

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you know you're lucky if a pure sense of

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your message gets onto the screen

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let me give you the most blatant example

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of what hollywood does

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so

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hollywood buys a book called flying

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saucers from outer space by major donald

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kehoe back in the early 1950s

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now kehoe was later embarrassed of what

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they did they took that bought the book

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which is a factual book about flying

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saucers and the theory by kehoe that

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they came from outer space

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they took that book

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and they fashioned a b movie out of it

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with special effects very good special

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effects by ray harryhausen and the movie

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was called earth versus the flying

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saucers so the only resemblance to kyo's

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book was maybe a sequence about ufo

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sightings in the first 30 seconds of the

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film and everything else they made up

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the usual aliens on the loose trying to

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attack earth and we of course defeat

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them we'd defeat e.t which is part and

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parcel of

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movies about alien encounters that

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include independence day but that's how

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far hollywood goes after buying a

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property that's factual

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you gotta admit that that scene of the

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crashing ufo taking out the washington

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monument was worth the price of

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admission

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yeah

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remember this is the 1950s the special

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effects i think were superb it was done

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by stop-motion animation

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not cgi there was no such thing as cgi

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in the 1950s

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i've generally had good experiences with

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production companies and i think they do

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i think their their hearts are in the

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right place but as don pointed out there

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is a lot of network pressure

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there's a lot of pressure to

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sensationalize

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uh to add as much tension and uh drama

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and for entertainment values uh well you

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know when when vicki and i were were

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still publishing ufo magazine

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and especially back in the early 90s

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when

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we had a production company basically

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living in our back pocket for

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not quite a year and they were

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interested in taking the magazine and

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turning it into a weekly

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show on ufos do you remember

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spy magazine guys

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do you remember the and it was kind of a

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tongue-in-cheek

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uh magazine but it but it had a lot of

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information that they had dug up on

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not only personalities but all kinds of

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stuff do you remember that magazine

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uh yeah i do

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yeah just barely well they did it with

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spy magazine that ran for a year or so

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and these guys wanted to piggyback

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basically on that idea

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i didn't remember the

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magazine maybe read a copy or two of it

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done

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yeah so

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basically ufo magazine was

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and and i made it very clear to them

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right right up front look guys if we're

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going to do this the only way that i

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really will agree

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to do this is if we treat the subject

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absolutely legitimately

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now if you really want

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to have a program that will be a

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blockbuster about this topic

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allow me to suggest

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this

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doing it strictly from the files of the

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military

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and

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nasa because at that time there were so

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many cases that overlapped on both nasa

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and the military i said this will really

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of course show the public that there is

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something to this topic

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and for whatever reason that idea never

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flew

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because

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they were terrified

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of if they did this they would in effect

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be

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they are

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that are controlling the release of

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information on this phenomena

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do you see what i'm saying

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they didn't want to upset anybody

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yeah i'm not surprised gogs you had

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something to say

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yes uh

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talking about uh hollywood's portrayal

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of the ufo topic uh it

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made me think of uh a recent thread in

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the forums a thread started by creepy

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green light

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yeah he's uh relatively new as far as

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i'm aware and he started a post um about

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the cisco grove case uh if you remember

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um

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nue torres

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and uh

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who's the other guy that wrote the book

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ruben you are ted yes yes yeah the two

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guys from one of them's from down laredo

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way or something south texas anyway they

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wrote the book on that and the the

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thread was about

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um the old 60s or 70s tv show

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um

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called project ufo it had an episode in

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which it kind of recreated the cisco

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grove uh incident and it's

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i don't it couldn't possibly coincidence

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there are far too many similarities and

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i was quite surprised because i didn't

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um there's also a bit of debate in this

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thread about the title of that show um i

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remember it as being called project blue

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book when i was a kid and i think it was

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called that in canada as well

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i'd never even heard of project ufo as a

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show but anyway i was quite surprised

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that um it seemed to have lifted

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uh this real case that i hadn't even

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heard of until you know ruben and noe

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brought it back to

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but mind again uh and i was quite amazed

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that they were you know the tone the

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tone of the show um

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i would say

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tends towards the skeptical let's

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explain it away probably the way the

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tone of actual project blue book was

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handled um but i i i was amazed that

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they

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lifted the you know the the essence of

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this story i had no idea that

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they did that and so i i'm interested

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does anyone know if any other episodes

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were based on real cases let me give you

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a background the show project ufo or

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project blue book we've got gogs makai

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kurt collins don ecker with gene and

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[Applause]

648
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so back in the 1970s for a couple of

649
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seasons

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there's a tv show

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called project ufo

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sometimes known as project blue book

653
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now just to give everybody a hint about

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what this is about it features

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two air force investigators who go

656
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around to look into ufo sightings

657
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it was produced by jack webb

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jack webb of course being the guy who

659
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created and produced dragnet of course

660
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he also produced adam 12 another story

661
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about policemen so that's his vibe now

662
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with dragnet they used the la police

663
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department and they took cases again

664
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ripped from the headlines and they made

665
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him into a tv show so i would not be

666
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surprised to see

667
00:28:05,350 --> 00:28:02,640
that his ufo show

668
00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:05,360
also took actual cases

669
00:28:10,870 --> 00:28:09,440
and dramatized them for the show okay

670
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:10,880
that wouldn't surprise him because that

671
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was his way of doing things

672
00:28:18,389 --> 00:28:14,880
the facts ma'am

673
00:28:20,870 --> 00:28:18,399
yeah except with project ufo

674
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:20,880
with the possible exception of one time

675
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,960
they always had a mundane explanation

676
00:28:28,710 --> 00:28:26,799
yeah whether it was a hoax a

677
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,720
misidentification

678
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,840
you never got the actual

679
00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:32,799
real

680
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:36,960
okay unexplained phenomenon he obviously

681
00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:39,919
took those cases from project blue book

682
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,039
even though of course there was no

683
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,279
project blue book when this came out he

684
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:45,279
took those cases from the air force

685
00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:46,159
files

686
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,960
yes

687
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:49,279
i've watched the show recently i've got

688
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:52,240
the bootleg dvd set of it i did watch it

689
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,640
when it came on and uh it definitely had

690
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:57,360
that that jack webb flavor and one

691
00:29:00,549 --> 00:28:59,200
interesting thing about it was to

692
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produce a show

693
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,320
they scanned well i don't know what the

694
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process was i think it was microfilm of

695
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the blue book files which is how what we

696
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:09,520
basically have it available today on uh

697
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,120
like the blue book archive site and uh

698
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,679
yes they took the cases but they were

699
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very liberally adapted and so we had the

700
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socorro case and

701
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with the uh with the black policeman

702
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,480
and uh there was a whole lot of drama

703
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:26,080
into it and his daughter says most of

704
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,919
the time it was skeptical there were a

705
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,039
few times where it was kind of

706
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,520
open-ended it was a mystery but you know

707
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,960
like one of the times i remember a

708
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:35,200
mysterious ufo turned out to be a

709
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:37,919
helicopter with lights and broadcasting

710
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,360
sound to cover the rotors so um oh

711
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,279
another thing about it was you know this

712
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,360
was this was after star wars and close

713
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encounters so it was it had low but low

714
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budget effects so you had kind of these

715
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:53,679
50s and 60s saucers redone in sort of a

716
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,440
well and modern at the time special

717
00:30:01,350 --> 00:29:58,000
effects but not particularly good ones

718
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,360
so in in the uh the cisco grove robot

719
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,159
was uh robbie the robot from uh a

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forbidden planet except they gave him

721
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:10,000
like a glass r2d2 head and replaced his

722
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:11,679
appearance

723
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,320
danger will robinson

724
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,799
they really use that robbie the robot

725
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,960
character from forbidden planet in

726
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another movie then of course lost in

727
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,240
space and as you say they took that

728
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:26,559
original creation and they just spread

729
00:30:29,669 --> 00:30:27,600
it thin

730
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:29,679
do we think there may be an uh uh there

731
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:33,600
was an agenda in project ufo to

732
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,799
tend towards explaining things away as

733
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:40,159
um maybe the real plug uh project blue

734
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:41,200
book did

735
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:42,240
in that

736
00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,960
maybe well we're talking late 70s but

737
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:47,120
you know certainly i was often said in

738
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the 40s the 50s that when people were

739
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,600
say told to keep quiet for national

740
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security you know after the second world

741
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,320
war people didn't question orders from

742
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,480
the government and you know acquiesced

743
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,840
easy enough

744
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,080
so i wonder at that time

745
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,919
when this show was coming out in the

746
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,760
late 70s i wonder if there was still a

747
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:09,440
tendency to

748
00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,480
think well if the government's line is

749
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,720
this on ufos and this is what the

750
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,039
project a ufo

751
00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:19,039
or like the condon report

752
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:21,520
was saying we should go that way we

753
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:23,120
shouldn't go against it we shouldn't be

754
00:31:27,190 --> 00:31:24,480
trying to like

755
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:27,200
you know show that some ufos may be real

756
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,960
do we think there's maybe an agenda

757
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:30,960
there or it was just simply pure

758
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,360
entertainment and that didn't come into

759
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,399
the head of jack webb well goggs if if i

760
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,120
can jump in here i gotta gotta tell you

761
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:42,080
a little antidote that uh was brought to

762
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,080
my intention about 20 years ago you may

763
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:49,200
or may not be aware that the a team and

764
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,559
and star trek star dwight schultz who

765
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,960
played lieutenant barkley or howling mad

766
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,159
murdoch

767
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,279
you know was was my co-host on several

768
00:32:04,710 --> 00:32:01,360
radio programs for

769
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:04,720
a number of years and i once asked him

770
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:08,240
what was the deal with hollywood why why

771
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:12,320
are they so resistant to covering this

772
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:14,880
topic in a legitimate way

773
00:32:19,269 --> 00:32:17,360
and and what from his knowledge is being

774
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:19,279
a major hollywood star

775
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:23,120
what was the uh was the real agenda

776
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:25,360
behind the scenes and he said you know

777
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,240
don

778
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,559
he said here's the secret about

779
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:31,600
hollywood if he said

780
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:35,120
little brown paper bags filled with dog

781
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:38,640
manure ever became a hot item

782
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:42,320
hollywood would find a way to market it

783
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:45,360
and that's the bottom line on hollywood

784
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,960
hollywood is first and foremost a money

785
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:50,480
separating

786
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,679
your wallet into theirs and that's

787
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:57,519
that's the secret about the whole thing

788
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,159
it doesn't matter look at at what

789
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:02,559
happened especially with american

790
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:06,399
television circa 1988 89

791
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:10,480
90. that was the time when the ufo topic

792
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,880
was so hot you could not turn on any tv

793
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,159
in the u.s

794
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:18,720
and not see a show

795
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:22,399
about some aspect of the ufo phenomenon

796
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:25,919
current affair encounters the cosgrove

797
00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,799
mirror uh program and uh and and

798
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:32,159
programs like in search of they all

799
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:35,039
covered the ufo thing to death and you

800
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:38,320
can still find them in reruns today on

801
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,880
some of the cable channels so you know

802
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:43,440
it was hot then and when it was hot

803
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,519
they're going to capitalize on it

804
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:47,840
of course if they feel that they could

805
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,840
get rating sell ads

806
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:51,919
they'll cover any topic look at the

807
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:53,919
crazy reality shows we have now about

808
00:33:58,789 --> 00:33:56,320
all these dumb families

809
00:34:00,950 --> 00:33:58,799
that pull all sorts of stunts

810
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,960
and they get them on there

811
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:03,120
because they get ratings unless they get

812
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:04,559
bad publicity

813
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,320
yeah do you really think that anybody

814
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,040
truly cares about torrey's spelling

815
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,280
but but i mean

816
00:34:15,510 --> 00:34:13,839
or kim kardashian for god's sake

817
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,520
obviously people are watching those

818
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,760
shows they don't put those shows on

819
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:20,000
without people watching them for all the

820
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,520
years that

821
00:34:25,829 --> 00:34:24,159
they had this crazy show from

822
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:25,839
donald trump

823
00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,679
the apprentice oh yeah oh my god yeah

824
00:34:34,069 --> 00:34:31,679
and you know right now

825
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,079
he's crazy enough to maybe get elected

826
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,800
president wouldn't that be interesting

827
00:34:39,909 --> 00:34:38,960
will he that's a good question asked the

828
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,919
donald

829
00:34:43,270 --> 00:34:41,119
okay

830
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:43,280
what would donald trump say if you asked

831
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,760
him are you going to help find the truth

832
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:48,000
about ufos

833
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:49,280
well gene

834
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,240
you've just been assigned a new uh

835
00:35:01,030 --> 00:34:54,800
a new project there buddy

836
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oh boy i would hate to have donald trump

837
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as a champion for ufos that might just

838
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:13,190
yeah well what are you gonna do

839
00:35:17,910 --> 00:35:16,640
it's a strange world out there my friend

840
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folks

841
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oh on the on the television coverage

842
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,800
though

843
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:22,880
oh it's it's just always so one

844
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,560
dimensional and it's you know they're

845
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:26,640
going for the sound bite and packaging

846
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:29,280
an idea in the most simplest form and

847
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:30,720
you know that that's why these real

848
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:33,280
housewives shows the the concept is is

849
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,560
very limited

850
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:37,200
there's so many ufo cases that are

851
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,040
that are you know there's so much depth

852
00:35:43,750 --> 00:35:41,599
to them there's not only the the

853
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complexity of the facts but you know

854
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there's there's the different degrees

855
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between the witness i mean it's it

856
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one show is is is worth an entire

857
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:53,520
episode or two and they want to give it

858
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,079
you know a seven minute section and fit

859
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:58,240
it between commercials and so it's just

860
00:36:02,550 --> 00:35:59,119
uh

861
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:02,560
that's what frustrates me that the the

862
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,320
coverage is so so simple and superficial

863
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you want to see how tv works really

864
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if you ever

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acquire or download

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869
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because you have this sudden break or

871
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then you know two seconds later you get

873
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the next part of the show

874
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but it really seems awkward without the

875
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this is 1-800-686-2237 70 author of ufo

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a mixture of shop talk and a listener

991
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round table with don ecker with kurt

992
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993
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we're talking about

994
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press coverage of ufos ufo-related tv

995
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shows now we've got of course the

996
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x-files coming back in january

997
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2016 is a limited

998
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999
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with the original cast including i now

1000
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hear

1001
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the lone gunman

1002
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the whole uh run of it which i hadn't

1003
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:47,200
before

1004
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:50,400
um just these last few weeks so and i

1005
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,000
always liked them as characters in the

1006
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,560
x-files and if i remember rightly they

1007
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,720
were killed off

1008
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:58,640
yes i just wonder how that's going to

1009
00:42:02,309 --> 00:42:00,800
work

1010
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,319
there've been other resurrections but

1011
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:04,800
yes that's a stretch yeah

1012
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,319
they were great characters they had to

1013
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:08,480
bring them back i just love those guys

1014
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:11,440
in the x-files i love the interplay with

1015
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:12,720
taconi and

1016
00:42:16,069 --> 00:42:14,000
anderson

1017
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,079
um you know how that little creepy throw

1018
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:18,800
hickey he really fancies anderson and

1019
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,520
i should say uh scully not anderson

1020
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,440
um but i'm really looking forward to the

1021
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:25,680
x-files coming back it is

1022
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,240
it is one of the shows of the 90s for a

1023
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:30,720
lot of us um it

1024
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:34,079
even even though a lot of it was fantasy

1025
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,280
i like have a a lot of my knowledge of

1026
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,040
aspects to the ufo mystery and mythology

1027
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,760
from watching the x-files before the

1028
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,760
x-files premiered

1029
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,480
we were like i said out here especially

1030
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,119
on the west coast in california

1031
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:54,960
we were in the midst of genuinely of ufo

1032
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:56,160
mania

1033
00:43:03,349 --> 00:43:00,960
and out here in la every i think for a

1034
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,359
long time for a number of years every

1035
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:04,800
six months

1036
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,480
there was a ufo expo out here called ufo

1037
00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:10,640
expo west

1038
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:13,119
and it was generally held in one of the

1039
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:17,280
hotels down near the los angeles airport

1040
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,200
we always we ufo magazine always had a

1041
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,079
booth down there we would take our

1042
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,560
magazines down there and we would plug

1043
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,280
ufo magazine to cut the stories we were

1044
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,440
covering and and what have you and we

1045
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:34,160
didn't know it until later

1046
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:37,520
but the guy that that produced the

1047
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,119
x-files and created it chris carter

1048
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,040
used to haunt

1049
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,560
the expos down there before the x-files

1050
00:43:50,790 --> 00:43:48,240
ever went on the air

1051
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:50,800
and we discovered because as a matter of

1052
00:43:58,710 --> 00:43:55,200
fact one of bob kivia's best friends

1053
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:58,720
was one of the producers on that show

1054
00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,319
carter came down and bought up every

1055
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,960
issue of ufo magazine that we had

1056
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,079
published

1057
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,480
up to that point and guess where they

1058
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,800
were getting the ideas for a lot of

1059
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:12,319
their stories

1060
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:14,960
came directly from the pages of ufo

1061
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:18,800
magazine i tried to capitalize on that

1062
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,040
when the x-files was so hot and tried

1063
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:24,960
for about a year

1064
00:44:30,870 --> 00:44:27,440
to get him to come on my radio show then

1065
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:30,880
ufo tonight ufos tonight

1066
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,440
and he would never do it and i could

1067
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:36,400
never figure out why because at the time

1068
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,960
i had one of the hottest talk shows on

1069
00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:41,040
ufos around

1070
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:43,359
but i could never get him on and i was

1071
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,440
always disappointed about that yeah

1072
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,480
apparently chris carter was certainly

1073
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:51,920
not a believer in ufos himself

1074
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:53,040
personally

1075
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:55,119
apparently julian anderson was kind of

1076
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,319
open to it the covenant absolutely not

1077
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,200
but dawn did you ever have um god i

1078
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,680
forget the name of the actor who played

1079
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,079
one of the lone gunmen they won the long

1080
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,079
blonde hair yeah now he's really into

1081
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:10,880
ufos dean handling that's right he's a

1082
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:13,839
great guy have we had him on the podcast

1083
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,040
no but um need to fix that yeah that's a

1084
00:45:23,109 --> 00:45:19,920
good idea um i i met dean at the uh

1085
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,119
international ufo congress in 2012

1086
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:25,680
his film that he did uh documentary of

1087
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,440
him going around the world

1088
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:29,200
asking people about uh you know their

1089
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:31,520
beliefs and uh you know the you know the

1090
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:33,520
anomalous aerial object phenomenon if

1091
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,720
you will i

1092
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,880
that ufo tag just still sticks on my

1093
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:37,760
craw

1094
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,839
and uh very well produced i mean they

1095
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:41,280
spent a lot of money

1096
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:42,960
and

1097
00:45:47,270 --> 00:45:45,440
we slam dunked it with uh our film of

1098
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:47,280
the disclosure dialogues uh it could

1099
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,200
happen tomorrow and he was really

1100
00:45:52,230 --> 00:45:50,880
disappointed because he he assumed he

1101
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,240
was gonna win

1102
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:54,640
uh he does have a real strong interest

1103
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,800
in the topic no question about it yeah

1104
00:46:01,430 --> 00:45:59,200
he knows his stuff and not only that

1105
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,440
he's also open to a lot of other uh

1106
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:03,920
paranormal topics and knows what he's

1107
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,760
talking i've heard him and several other

1108
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:07,920
shows and he's always delivered i think

1109
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:09,680
he's an interesting guy he seems like a

1110
00:46:13,589 --> 00:46:10,800
nice guy

1111
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:13,599
and i yeah i think it'd be great to have

1112
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:14,880
them on

1113
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,160
tell me gogs every time i hear you speak

1114
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:20,960
buddy i i i i'm tempted to ask you how

1115
00:46:28,870 --> 00:46:23,440
the engines on the enterprise are they

1116
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:31,190
you say i'm just like scotty

1117
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:32,960
i was just reading something the other

1118
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,599
day about star trek about how you know

1119
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,240
when they say like warp factor seven

1120
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,520
eight and stuff that during the life of

1121
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:43,920
star trek from the original series all

1122
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,079
the way up to enterprise and the movies

1123
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:48,880
as well they've kind of changed

1124
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:52,560
the scale for what warp whatever is what

1125
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:54,400
the equivalent speed is

1126
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,800
now one other thing it's interesting to

1127
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,319
talk about here

1128
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:59,920
and i've mentioned this before i came up

1129
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,680
with this wacky theory

1130
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,280
which is not original with me but i've

1131
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,960
mentioned it every so often on the power

1132
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,800
cast about what i call gradual

1133
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,079
disclosure

1134
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,400
that if anyone really has evidence that

1135
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,800
we're being visited by possible alien

1136
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:13,839
beings

1137
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:16,880
instead of revealing it to us

1138
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,359
in one press conference or one press

1139
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:20,640
availability

1140
00:47:25,109 --> 00:47:22,560
i imagine if donald trump were president

1141
00:47:26,550 --> 00:47:25,119
and he was going to disclose ufos think

1142
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,560
about that for a second he'd tell the

1143
00:47:30,470 --> 00:47:28,319
aliens you're fired

1144
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:30,480
okay we're hearing now about more and

1145
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,119
more discoveries of possible earth-like

1146
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,359
planets around the universe this

1147
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,400
very rich guy who is working with

1148
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:41,119
famous scientists from the uk that we

1149
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:42,480
all know about

1150
00:47:46,470 --> 00:47:45,119
to find evidence of life in outer space

1151
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:46,480
and now

1152
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,280
on thursday july 23rd nasa holds a press

1153
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,720
conference

1154
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:53,520
saying they found an exoplanet

1155
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,720
that some people are calling earth 2

1156
00:48:00,030 --> 00:47:58,319
it's known

1157
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,040
as kepler

1158
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:02,000
452 b

1159
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:03,920
it says it's about 60 percent larger

1160
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,400
than earth giving it a reasonable chance

1161
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:08,000
of being rocky

1162
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,280
like our own planet now without going

1163
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:13,280
into detail here guys maybe you can give

1164
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,280
me your views here

1165
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,319
as we find more and more evidence that

1166
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,200
there's a possibility that life is very

1167
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,720
very plentiful

1168
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,720
does that create the climate or make

1169
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,599
people more accepting of the possibility

1170
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,280
that's already happened

1171
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,240
i'll let anybody take that as a response

1172
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:34,480
who wants to try don

1173
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:38,720
i think that uh the whole disclosure

1174
00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:41,359
movement is built on a false

1175
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:42,480
premise

1176
00:48:49,910 --> 00:48:46,960
the idea that a government spokesman

1177
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:49,920
whether they be nasa the military the

1178
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,000
intelligence people

1179
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:55,599
are going to come forward and admit

1180
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:58,640
that for 70 years they've been feeding

1181
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,640
the american public

1182
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:03,520
and the world for that matter

1183
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:07,680
lies it just won't happen

1184
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,240
these people for whatever reason whether

1185
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,160
they know something that they're

1186
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,720
terrified that the rest of us may find

1187
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,520
out

1188
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:17,200
whether they're

1189
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:23,599
the secret of the millennium

1190
00:49:28,390 --> 00:49:25,920
it's not going to come out i just i just

1191
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,400
can't fathom that they would release

1192
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:29,760
that ever

1193
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:33,920
unless unless something so egregious

1194
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,960
happened

1195
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:36,800
that they would have no choice that's

1196
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:38,480
the only way i could ever see it

1197
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:41,359
happening goggs yeah i was going to say

1198
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:44,800
that in the scientific community uh

1199
00:49:50,470 --> 00:49:46,960
in which i think they

1200
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:50,480
cannot uh i'll even allow themselves to

1201
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,760
really think uh that ufos may be here

1202
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,160
and that if there is extra terrestrial

1203
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,800
life that it's already visited or has

1204
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:00,480
visited our planet

1205
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:03,440
and i wonder if

1206
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:06,319
you're you're mentioning the new kepler

1207
00:50:10,470 --> 00:50:08,079
or whatever planet

1208
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:10,480
um that's that's like earth it's a bit

1209
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:13,040
like the whole is there water

1210
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,920
on mars or not and you know nasa seems

1211
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:17,680
to have kind of changed tack on that

1212
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,079
over the last couple of decades

1213
00:50:25,109 --> 00:50:23,520
and we seem to be inexorably

1214
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:25,119
heading towards

1215
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,839
uh an acceptance that

1216
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:30,480
there definitely is the the uh

1217
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:31,599
the

1218
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:32,800
possible

1219
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:35,119
place for life to be out there and i

1220
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,599
think as we discover more and more of

1221
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:38,880
these worlds

1222
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:42,640
maybe subconsciously it will allow

1223
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,359
the academic community to

1224
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,200
allow themselves to

1225
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,400
think more along the lines of well could

1226
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:53,040
there be extraterrestrial life because

1227
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,400
up until this point

1228
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:56,640
we haven't really had anything concrete

1229
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:00,240
to go on other than the simple numbers

1230
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,960
of stars in the known universe don't

1231
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,040
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1294
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so if we can't get scotty to do

1295
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,440
our stinger we'll get gogs makai joining

1296
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us with kurt collins don ecker jean and

1297
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,520
chris and by the way we're still

1298
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,319
thinking of working on a way here where

1299
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:26,480
we'll have our listeners submit their

1300
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:28,640
own power cast stingers

1301
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:30,160
and then we'll pick the best ones and

1302
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,839
figure some kind of prize

1303
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,760
along with making them famous when i

1304
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:35,040
talk about the

1305
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,760
gradual disclosure i don't think

1306
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,880
we're ever going to have the press

1307
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
conference revealing that e.t is here if

1308
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:43,920
they have guilty knowledge it would be a

1309
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,119
gradual acceptance of the situation

1310
00:54:51,910 --> 00:54:49,359
rather than the sudden disclosure and we

1311
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:51,920
can talk about that with all sorts of

1312
00:54:57,190 --> 00:54:54,960
conditions yes yeah i i i've said this a

1313
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:57,200
number of times on the show but you

1314
00:55:02,470 --> 00:54:59,920
think about it i mean if barack obama

1315
00:55:04,790 --> 00:55:02,480
announced a a special press conference

1316
00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:04,800
and walked up to the podium hand in hand

1317
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:06,800
with a little alien gray

1318
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,119
a sizeable percentage of the world would

1319
00:55:12,870 --> 00:55:10,319
not believe it they would think that

1320
00:55:13,990 --> 00:55:12,880
it's some publicity stunt no matter how

1321
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,000
well-meaning

1322
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,920
well-intentioned and

1323
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,319
serious the press conference was there

1324
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,640
are people that would completely

1325
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,400
close down to

1326
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,640
what would appear to be the obvious fact

1327
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,880
obviously that's never going to happen

1328
00:55:31,750 --> 00:55:29,760
but uh you know i i think people

1329
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:31,760
don't like to be shaken out of their

1330
00:55:36,549 --> 00:55:34,640
comfort zone and i think disclosure one

1331
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,559
of the reasons why we don't

1332
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,119
have any possibility i'm kind of piling

1333
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:41,440
on to don's comments here but one of the

1334
00:55:44,790 --> 00:55:43,200
reasons is that the

1335
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:44,800
there's just too strong of a

1336
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:47,359
fundamentalist religious kind of

1337
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,599
leaning right now in the country and i

1338
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,680
think that this is really uh

1339
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,280
a real impediment

1340
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:55,599
for any sort of disclosure

1341
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,000
official disclosure and i think you know

1342
00:56:03,670 --> 00:56:00,880
this whole idea of gradual disclosure

1343
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:03,680
is almost an organic process it's sort

1344
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:05,359
of unfolding on its own i don't really

1345
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,040
think it's directed what do you guys

1346
00:56:12,309 --> 00:56:09,760
think well you know let me let me pop in

1347
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,319
here real quick with with just a uh a

1348
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:14,559
real quick observation

1349
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:18,640
if we discovered an extraterrestrial

1350
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:19,680
signal

1351
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:23,280
that perhaps came from an area in the

1352
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,040
sky that was determined to be 25

1353
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,480
or 50 000 light years away

1354
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,280
that would be one thing because we would

1355
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,280
have the safety

1356
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:38,079
of distance they could announce

1357
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,400
something like that and and of course

1358
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:42,640
you gotta look at all the criteria

1359
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,240
of what the seti protocols are for

1360
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:47,680
example

1361
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,040
in order to announce the discovery of a

1362
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,640
signal it has to have been repeated now

1363
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:57,040
the fact of the matter is seti has

1364
00:57:01,829 --> 00:56:58,640
discovered

1365
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,839
anomalous signals but they've never been

1366
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:03,040
repeated

1367
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,079
so the announcement has never been made

1368
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:08,240
but if that were to happen that would be

1369
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,000
one thing but

1370
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:13,440
if a ship showed up between earth

1371
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:14,880
and jupiter

1372
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:18,000
and they discovered an anomalous alien

1373
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:19,920
signal from the ship

1374
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,319
that would be something entirely

1375
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,400
different almost like

1376
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,880
the film independence day

1377
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,760
okay

1378
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:29,760
that would create

1379
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:33,599
chaos probably on a worldwide level

1380
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:36,720
so it all would depend upon

1381
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:39,440
you know the circumstances of

1382
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:42,240
discovering et life now

1383
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,920
not long ago nasa a nasa spokeswoman

1384
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:48,160
said well i believe in the next decade

1385
00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:49,200
or so

1386
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:51,839
we're going to discover extraterrestrial

1387
00:57:58,789 --> 00:57:55,440
life but she wasn't talking about

1388
00:58:01,430 --> 00:57:58,799
sentient life in other words intelligent

1389
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,440
life she was talking about alien

1390
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,799
microbes

1391
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:05,200
and the dirty little secret is

1392
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:07,920
microbes have been discovered on things

1393
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:11,200
like meteorites so you know it it's a

1394
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:12,480
shell game

1395
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:13,839
that they play

1396
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:15,760
there seems to be a widespread

1397
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:16,799
well i don't know if you want to call it

1398
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,640
belief but you know association from

1399
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:20,319
scientists all over in different

1400
00:58:24,309 --> 00:58:22,240
disciplines that there's life out there

1401
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,319
in the universe and these these these

1402
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:27,359
exoplanets that are being discovered um

1403
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:28,400
but

1404
00:58:32,789 --> 00:58:30,640
these same people don't want to

1405
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:32,799
admit any possibility that any of them

1406
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,640
are traveling here and that there's no

1407
00:58:39,670 --> 00:58:37,440
connection with the the ufo phenomenon

1408
00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:39,680
and i'm wondering if anybody is really

1409
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:41,200
interested in both things because some

1410
00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:44,880
of the the ufo uh uh mavens just really

1411
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,400
don't have much

1412
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,839
it seems a lot of them don't have any

1413
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:50,160
interest in the development in space i

1414
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:51,440
wonder if there's anybody that's kind of

1415
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:52,640
bridging that

1416
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,480
those the two

1417
00:58:59,109 --> 00:58:56,640
schools of thought on that well let me

1418
00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:59,119
just say this before we go on my feeling

1419
00:59:02,470 --> 00:59:01,040
is here is they live in separate

1420
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:02,480
universes

1421
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,400
so they'll look at the people interested

1422
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,400
in ufos and say they're just e.t

1423
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,920
believers and

1424
00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:09,920
you know they're having fun or they have

1425
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:11,839
fantasies or maybe they had abductions

1426
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,640
they're looking for some kind of way to

1427
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:17,599
deal with this psychological problem

1428
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:20,240
but in the case of

1429
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,559
any revelation about earth-like planets

1430
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:25,040
elsewhere that's science it's not the

1431
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:27,520
crazy people chasing ufos this is the

1432
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:28,880
real thing

1433
00:59:33,990 --> 00:59:31,599
so even if that brings about eventually

1434
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:34,000
a realization that we're being visited

1435
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,680
or have been visited

1436
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,440
it will never connect to the so-called

1437
00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:39,040
ufo believer

1438
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,119
it's a separate class i guess

1439
00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:44,000
how about this only two things need to

1440
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:47,440
happen before academia will

1441
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,799
readily accept that maybe even aliens

1442
00:59:55,510 --> 00:59:52,640
could be here and that would be

1443
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,520
a discovery of a

1444
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:58,559
habitable planet and then the discovery

1445
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:01,440
and proof of faster than light travel if

1446
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:03,520
it's possible like a warp or something

1447
01:00:09,670 --> 01:00:07,119
if those things become commonly accepted

1448
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:09,680
then it's a done deal now then you can

1449
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:12,880
wreck to retroactively sort of say well

1450
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:14,799
if we can discover faster than light

1451
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:17,680
travel then the distance problem doesn't

1452
01:00:24,230 --> 01:00:20,640
exist in the same way so now we have no

1453
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,240
philosophical barrier to uh et being

1454
01:00:27,829 --> 01:00:27,359
here now or in the

1455
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:27,839
those past

1456
01:00:32,069 --> 01:00:31,040
happen let me throw you guys a curveball

1457
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:32,079
okay

1458
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:32,880
i

1459
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:49,040
but

1460
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:50,640
you know going back to the apollo

1461
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:53,680
program and for all you guys that were

1462
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,880
aware and and alive then and you will

1463
01:01:03,349 --> 01:00:59,440
you watched what was happening it was

1464
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,359
one of the most amazing times in my life

1465
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,119
that i ever witnessed

1466
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:06,880
the fact that

1467
01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:10,240
we were honest with god attempting to

1468
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:11,440
step

1469
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:14,400
mankind upon another world and it was

1470
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:17,200
exciting to the extreme and all the

1471
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:18,640
propaganda

1472
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,520
about the apollo project and not only us

1473
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,400
but also the soviet union at the time

1474
01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:27,599
were all racing to land human beings on

1475
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,319
the moon and we had a lot of plans there

1476
01:01:36,829 --> 01:01:33,280
were plans to set up lunar basins there

1477
01:01:41,430 --> 01:01:36,839
were plans to set up manufacturing

1478
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:41,440
processes and and we spent an inordinate

1479
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:44,880
amount of money to get there and not

1480
01:01:51,349 --> 01:01:48,240
only national treasure but human lives

1481
01:01:54,470 --> 01:01:51,359
we lost people the russians lost people

1482
01:01:55,670 --> 01:01:54,480
and the bottom line was we went there

1483
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,680
on just

1484
01:02:01,670 --> 01:01:58,400
six missions that were successful

1485
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,680
and we just arbitrarily stopped

1486
01:02:06,630 --> 01:02:03,839
going now what a lot of people are not

1487
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:06,640
aware of is that there were more

1488
01:02:12,870 --> 01:02:09,839
missions that were planned to go to the

1489
01:02:15,910 --> 01:02:12,880
moon the equipment was built the

1490
01:02:19,270 --> 01:02:15,920
astronauts were trained as a matter of

1491
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:19,280
fact those rockets right now are rotting

1492
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,559
down in florida on the old launch pads

1493
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:24,720
that were never lit off we never went

1494
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:28,000
back and then we didn't do anything

1495
01:02:33,430 --> 01:02:30,880
for a couple of years until sky lab now

1496
01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:33,440
my my point is

1497
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:36,640
i suspect and i have for a long time

1498
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,760
they discovered something on the moon

1499
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:41,680
not on the front of the moon on the rear

1500
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:44,160
of the moon the side that never faces

1501
01:02:51,030 --> 01:02:47,599
the earth i am firmly convinced they

1502
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,040
either found evidence of a previous

1503
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,240
lunar base that someone or something set

1504
01:03:00,230 --> 01:02:57,520
up there or perhaps it's still active

1505
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:00,240
now why why do i say active

1506
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:04,400
one simple reason if any of these ufos

1507
01:03:08,789 --> 01:03:06,880
that people have been reporting for well

1508
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:08,799
over 70 years

1509
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,200
are actually somebody's technology from

1510
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:13,920
somewhere else do you really truly

1511
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:16,559
believe that they're coming here from

1512
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,240
their point of origin or are they coming

1513
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,680
here from an ongoing base i prefer the

1514
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,640
explanation of an ongoing base and i

1515
01:03:31,109 --> 01:03:29,119
think that's why we have not been back

1516
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:31,119
to the moan with any more manned

1517
01:03:33,990 --> 01:03:32,240
missions

1518
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:34,000
let's do the break here and go into more

1519
01:03:39,109 --> 01:03:36,079
detail in our next segment okay we have

1520
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:39,119
don ecker kurt collins goggs mackay with

1521
01:03:46,060 --> 01:03:49,670
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01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:52,950
is there a secret ufo agenda do strange

1523
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,039
creatures from the darkest corners of

1524
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1525
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:00,720
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1527
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01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:14,640
on the power cast with jean chris with

1628
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:16,880
goggs makai kurt collins

1629
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,080
don ecker and don was suggesting here

1630
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:23,040
that one of the reasons that we haven't

1631
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:24,640
at least officially gone back to the

1632
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:28,239
moon is because someone else is there do

1633
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,239
you think we were warned off uh don or

1634
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,080
do you think it was just an elective

1635
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,480
decision well that would be any that

1636
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,640
would be anybody's speculation whether

1637
01:08:42,309 --> 01:08:39,759
we were warned although the rumors that

1638
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:42,319
have circulated from that event for over

1639
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,759
40 years

1640
01:08:47,669 --> 01:08:46,799
suggest that we very well may have been

1641
01:08:50,789 --> 01:08:47,679
you know

1642
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:50,799
i realize on the surface this sounds

1643
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:54,560
crazy okay it sounds like a crazy idea

1644
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:55,440
but

1645
01:09:01,910 --> 01:08:59,040
you must be aware of all the events

1646
01:09:03,669 --> 01:09:01,920
and the facts surrounding

1647
01:09:05,910 --> 01:09:03,679
this uh this

1648
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,920
series of events with landing on the

1649
01:09:08,550 --> 01:09:06,719
moon

1650
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:08,560
for example

1651
01:09:15,430 --> 01:09:12,480
before we ever went to the moon

1652
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:15,440
nasa contracted with a group of

1653
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:18,480
academics to do a study

1654
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:22,960
on the moon that basically encompassed

1655
01:09:29,590 --> 01:09:26,880
well over 400 years

1656
01:09:32,630 --> 01:09:29,600
of obscure strange

1657
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:32,640
and even miraculous lunar events that

1658
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,120
happened on the moon it's called nasa

1659
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,000
technical report 277

1660
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:40,799
incidentally it's available online

1661
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:43,679
and the first astronauts

1662
01:09:51,030 --> 01:09:46,960
that went to the moon were carrying

1663
01:09:54,630 --> 01:09:51,040
weapons this is also something that is

1664
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:54,640
not known now when i found out about

1665
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:55,679
this

1666
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:58,480
we were publishing ufo magazine and i

1667
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,440
was really getting started in in this

1668
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,800
lunar research i called up nasa

1669
01:10:10,310 --> 01:10:07,920
and they verified that yes

1670
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:10,320
the astronauts were armed when they

1671
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:13,920
lifted off now the reason they gave me

1672
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:16,239
was that in the event when they were

1673
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,400
coming back from the moon

1674
01:10:22,630 --> 01:10:20,719
something happened with their re-entry

1675
01:10:25,669 --> 01:10:22,640
and they ended up in a jungle or

1676
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:25,679
something this is why the astronauts had

1677
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,719
weapons and remember all these guys were

1678
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:31,679
former military officers now the only

1679
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,000
problem i ever found out with that

1680
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,159
explanation was the fact that if you

1681
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:38,560
remember back in those days

1682
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:41,840
we always landed our astronauts in the

1683
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,480
middle of a huge ocean

1684
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:45,520
okay

1685
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,679
they never came down on land they came

1686
01:10:51,430 --> 01:10:49,120
down on water

1687
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,440
that was the dirty little secret and of

1688
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:54,000
course the uh the nasa people had no

1689
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:56,239
explanation for that but to get back to

1690
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:58,400
the moon the moon

1691
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:01,360
even apollo 11

1692
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,239
when they first went up there saw

1693
01:11:10,390 --> 01:11:07,280
mysterious blinking lights

1694
01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:10,400
from the command module news stories

1695
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:14,960
were run about that so i am suggesting

1696
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,440
that they were aware that they might

1697
01:11:23,830 --> 01:11:20,239
find something when they went up there

1698
01:11:27,350 --> 01:11:23,840
and it was only very tentative after six

1699
01:11:29,189 --> 01:11:27,360
missions arbitrarily the plug was pulled

1700
01:11:31,830 --> 01:11:29,199
and what was the explanation well

1701
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,840
gentlemen the explanation was nasa

1702
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,719
claimed the american people lost

1703
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:36,800
interest in going to the moon

1704
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:39,520
and that that just never passed my smelt

1705
01:11:44,229 --> 01:11:43,199
test yeah don if i could come in quickly

1706
01:11:47,590 --> 01:11:44,239
yes

1707
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,600
the missions that didn't go after 17 or

1708
01:11:51,830 --> 01:11:49,600
whatever they were already paid for as

1709
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,840
well so it's not like it was going to be

1710
01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:53,280
a budget

1711
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,280
thing or whatever you know they were

1712
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,159
already paid for and your point about

1713
01:12:00,870 --> 01:12:00,080
aliens coming here and

1714
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:00,880
and

1715
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:06,960
ascends everest they have base camp camp

1716
01:12:12,310 --> 01:12:10,000
one camp two so yes the moon makes uh

1717
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:12,320
sense in that way as well

1718
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:15,040
the thing about firearms being carried i

1719
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,400
don't really know what to think about

1720
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,320
that because i would have thought it

1721
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:20,159
even though they're sitting on top of a

1722
01:12:24,390 --> 01:12:21,600
massive

1723
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,400
explosive basically i would have thought

1724
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:26,560
a weapon a handgun or whatever would

1725
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,800
have been a pretty risky thing to have

1726
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,440
in space in a pressurized capsule you

1727
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:33,679
know in cramped quarters and stuff but

1728
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,760
going getting back to the moon

1729
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,600
no one has even come close to

1730
01:12:40,390 --> 01:12:39,120
satisfactorily

1731
01:12:43,830 --> 01:12:40,400
explaining

1732
01:12:45,990 --> 01:12:43,840
how the moon got into its perfect orbit

1733
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:46,000
this orbit that weirdly

1734
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,600
happens to

1735
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:49,760
give the appearance of its size the

1736
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:53,040
exact same size as the solar disk

1737
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,840
not only that why why is it always

1738
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:58,080
facing the same way as it goes around

1739
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:01,280
this doesn't happen in any other moon of

1740
01:13:06,310 --> 01:13:03,920
any other planet we know of in the solar

1741
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,320
system it shouldn't make sense that it

1742
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:08,880
could have been captured the dates the

1743
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:11,120
age of the some of the rock and the moon

1744
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:14,080
doesn't make sense and dawn you'll know

1745
01:13:17,910 --> 01:13:15,600
about that book

1746
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:17,920
uh that was written i think by russians

1747
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:20,320
and it was about the fact that the moon

1748
01:13:25,189 --> 01:13:22,719
may have been brought here as like a

1749
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:25,199
spaceship i was just going to pass on to

1750
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:27,840
dawn there about the the book that was

1751
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,719
um like our spaceship moon or something

1752
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,920
i'm very interested in the the fact that

1753
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:36,560
the moon itself being there is a total

1754
01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:39,840
mystery and because of that i don't find

1755
01:13:44,470 --> 01:13:42,480
it much of a leap to think it couldn't

1756
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:44,480
be planned any better that if it was

1757
01:13:50,229 --> 01:13:47,360
being used as a staging post to visit

1758
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,239
here the fact that it's got a side we

1759
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,719
never see from here it's the obvious

1760
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,960
point where you can hide all your stuff

1761
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:57,120
you could have enormous amount of stuff

1762
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,400
there fleets of huge ships whatever

1763
01:14:04,709 --> 01:14:02,640
power stations on the backside and we're

1764
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:04,719
not going to see it here and some of the

1765
01:14:09,750 --> 01:14:07,760
images from the orbiting lunar craft

1766
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:09,760
even before they actually landed in the

1767
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:12,159
moon you know there's the video with it

1768
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:13,520
kind of looks like there's some kind of

1769
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:16,320
smoke coming out of some kind of tower

1770
01:14:19,750 --> 01:14:18,159
but there are various things that look

1771
01:14:22,550 --> 01:14:19,760
like there's kind of some kind of

1772
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,560
movement on the moon when it should be

1773
01:14:26,229 --> 01:14:24,080
kind of dead

1774
01:14:28,229 --> 01:14:26,239
geologically anyway we've got those

1775
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,239
tracks and the moons that looks like you

1776
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:31,040
know a big boulder's rolled up out of a

1777
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:33,520
quick uh crater there's just a lot of

1778
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:35,440
strange things about the moon just

1779
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,480
recently the uh british scientist

1780
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,960
professor brian cox he does a lot of tv

1781
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:44,080
these days i heard his latest

1782
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:46,159
explanation or supposedly science's

1783
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:48,719
latest explanation of how the moon was

1784
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:51,120
formed and i'm not an expert of course

1785
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:53,040
in any any of that but i just

1786
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,719
immediately thought how

1787
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,640
how can they say these things that there

1788
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,640
didn't seem to be any proof and it

1789
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
didn't explain or they just glossed over

1790
01:15:05,990 --> 01:15:03,600
all the main interesting points but

1791
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:06,000
there is literature out there to read

1792
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:07,840
that really explains

1793
01:15:12,550 --> 01:15:10,320
far better than i can do just how weird

1794
01:15:15,189 --> 01:15:12,560
the moon is it's being here

1795
01:15:18,390 --> 01:15:15,199
here's just a little little a couple of

1796
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:18,400
facts that i'll throw at you and then

1797
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:21,280
let science can explain it

1798
01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:23,520
but when we set our astronauts up there

1799
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:25,440
of course we all know that they brought

1800
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:28,320
back a lot of lunar material they

1801
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:29,520
brought back

1802
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:35,280
when this material was being examined

1803
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:38,800
they found a stone a rock that was

1804
01:15:43,430 --> 01:15:41,840
called the genesis rock

1805
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:43,440
now in order to

1806
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:46,159
fully appreciate what they were saying

1807
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,320
our solar system the age is computed at

1808
01:15:56,470 --> 01:15:53,280
just somewhere between four and a half

1809
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:56,480
and five billion with a b

1810
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,480
years of age our star is computed to be

1811
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:03,280
approximately five billion years

1812
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,239
of age when it came into existence and

1813
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:08,640
then the dust cloud that finally

1814
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:11,760
coalesced into our solar system

1815
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,360
happened shortly after that shortly in

1816
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,440
terms of billions of years you're

1817
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:19,840
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1818
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1819
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1820
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1875
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1876
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taking extendovite it's been approved to

1877
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help my heart extendovite is that a new

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1879
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cayenne herbal how can that help well

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actually we've taken herbs for thousands

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of years and extendovite is doing the

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1910
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1919
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listening to the peercast

1920
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[Music]

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01:21:14,390 --> 01:21:12,560
alright so i was forced kicking and

1922
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,400
screaming mostly screaming

1923
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,560
to do the stinger this time chris why'd

1924
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:18,080
you make me do that

1925
01:21:21,030 --> 01:21:19,520
oh you know i mean it's new and

1926
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:21,040
different we've never done that before

1927
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so you heard it here first i thought it

1928
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,679
was nick redfern actually you heard it

1929
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here last because it's the last time

1930
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i'll ever do it for the rest of just a

1931
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who knows what evil works

1932
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,080
in the hearts of men no who knows what

1933
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evil lurks on the backside of the moon

1934
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:41,920
you know there's you goggs you brought

1935
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,000
up a really good point about uh just

1936
01:21:48,310 --> 01:21:46,480
some inexplicable facts about the moon

1937
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:48,320
how come when we have a total solar

1938
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,640
eclipse the moon perfectly

1939
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:52,800
perfectly blocks out the sun what's up

1940
01:21:56,470 --> 01:21:55,120
with that i mean what are the odds

1941
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of a

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orbiting satellite to earth

1943
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,880
being perfectly positioned

1944
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to just do that one thing and i won't

1945
01:22:06,470 --> 01:22:05,040
even get into dozens and dozens of other

1946
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,480
head scratching

1947
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:08,000
facts about the moon and its

1948
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relationship to earth

1949
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don what do you think about the blair

1950
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:13,920
cuspids and uh other well let me let me

1951
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finish my thought before we had to go to

1952
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break

1953
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:20,080
when those astronauts brought back those

1954
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:23,440
those rocks and dirt okay from the lunar

1955
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:24,800
surface

1956
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,679
they brought back a rock that was a that

1957
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,920
was ended up being called the genesis

1958
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,400
rock the rock itself

1959
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:34,960
was 5 billion

1960
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years of age okay

1961
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:39,639
but what was even more

1962
01:22:45,910 --> 01:22:43,120
mind-bending about the fact was that the

1963
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,920
dirt the the material the rock was

1964
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laying in that they brought back

1965
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was computed to be a billion years older

1966
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than the moon now we're talking about

1967
01:23:03,189 --> 01:22:59,360
six billion years we're talking about

1968
01:23:06,870 --> 01:23:03,199
a body okay that was a billion and a

1969
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:06,880
half years older than our solar system

1970
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:09,360
now that should give a lot of people

1971
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:10,560
questions

1972
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,880
about exactly what in the world is going

1973
01:23:17,350 --> 01:23:14,480
on with the moon

1974
01:23:18,470 --> 01:23:17,360
is there not evidence to say that almost

1975
01:23:20,870 --> 01:23:18,480
like life

1976
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:20,880
as we know it would would be

1977
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:23,600
so different or not even possible in the

1978
01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:27,120
same way without the gravity of the moon

1979
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:31,360
it's almost like it it it's had a big

1980
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:34,639
part to play in our revolution

1981
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:37,280
and our you know circadian rhythms

1982
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,960
things like that

1983
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anybody has anybody any more information

1984
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:42,000
of this

1985
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:44,480
well it's it's been it's been suggested

1986
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without the moon

1987
01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:49,440
okay and and the moon's effect on things

1988
01:23:55,189 --> 01:23:52,320
like the tides our weather

1989
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:55,199
uh are winds that

1990
01:23:59,110 --> 01:23:57,679
life as we know would not have evolved

1991
01:24:01,830 --> 01:23:59,120
on planet earth

1992
01:24:04,629 --> 01:24:01,840
so yeah from from that standpoint you're

1993
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,639
absolutely correct guys yeah it's it's

1994
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,480
like the the moon is

1995
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,880
sloshing you know the uh

1996
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,560
obviously the oceans

1997
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,560
but it's also uh

1998
01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:13,679
affecting

1999
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,520
water on the planet it's almost like a

2000
01:24:21,030 --> 01:24:17,520
pot of beans stirred

2001
01:24:23,910 --> 01:24:21,040
the moon is like sloshing the petri dish

2002
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,920
to create change and novelty in a closed

2003
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:25,760
system

2004
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and also the moon it's denser

2005
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,199
near to the surface than it is at the

2006
01:24:36,709 --> 01:24:33,920
core which is topsy turvy compared to

2007
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,719
most other planetary bodies and moons

2008
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,320
you know those features on the moon

2009
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:39,679
there's features on the moon as i

2010
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,080
mentioned uh uh before the blair cuspids

2011
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,840
there's there's many uh lunar anomalies

2012
01:24:49,590 --> 01:24:47,440
that uh are

2013
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,600
said to be there i mean none of this has

2014
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:52,480
been obviously has been verified by

2015
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,760
by the space program or academia but uh

2016
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,679
the one thing that i've always wondered

2017
01:25:02,950 --> 01:24:59,280
and don you might want to address this

2018
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:02,960
is what about this whole idea of the

2019
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:05,360
the moon actually being hollow because i

2020
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,679
remember didn't the russians determine

2021
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:09,679
that when they slammed some sort of

2022
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:12,080
object some space probe into the moon

2023
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,400
and it rang like a bell for three days

2024
01:25:18,629 --> 01:25:17,040
we did that we did that the americans

2025
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:18,639
did that after one of the apollo

2026
01:25:23,110 --> 01:25:19,679
missions

2027
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,120
and we left a lot of equipment up there

2028
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:25,600
including laser detectors but they

2029
01:25:30,709 --> 01:25:26,880
crashed

2030
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,719
a used rocket module into the into the

2031
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:31,679
moon

2032
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:32,960
and the

2033
01:25:41,910 --> 01:25:37,040
surprising uh effect of that was as you

2034
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:41,920
stated chris the moon rang like a bell

2035
01:25:48,390 --> 01:25:46,080
for for quite some time afterwards now

2036
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:48,400
when we one other thing that i wanted to

2037
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:51,840
mention about the moon that also is

2038
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:54,400
another inexplicable

2039
01:25:59,189 --> 01:25:57,600
question nasa of course was behind the

2040
01:26:02,790 --> 01:25:59,199
apollo program

2041
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:02,800
and in december 72 when they when they

2042
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,040
caused the apollo program

2043
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:07,199
to shut down with the

2044
01:26:14,310 --> 01:26:11,120
uh return of apollo 17 we washed our

2045
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:14,320
hands of the moon okay period we didn't

2046
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:15,600
go back

2047
01:26:21,430 --> 01:26:16,880
except

2048
01:26:22,550 --> 01:26:21,440
in the 90s the mid 90s we did go back to

2049
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:22,560
the moan

2050
01:26:28,709 --> 01:26:25,840
the clementine mission which of course

2051
01:26:31,669 --> 01:26:28,719
was a robotic mission

2052
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,679
went back and completely

2053
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:33,120
remapped

2054
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:37,520
and re-photographed the entire moon but

2055
01:26:44,470 --> 01:26:41,280
it wasn't nasa that sent it back it was

2056
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:44,480
the department of defense they took over

2057
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:48,320
two million photographs now my question

2058
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:52,000
has always been for what purpose and why

2059
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,600
hasn't the public seen any of those two

2060
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,480
million photographs the dirty secret is

2061
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,320
any photograph you've ever seen of the

2062
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:01,199
moon

2063
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:05,920
okay is usually an obscure blurry image

2064
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,280
very little detail can be made out

2065
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:11,280
especially with some of these more

2066
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:14,960
questionable photographs but we all know

2067
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:17,360
that the military has

2068
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:20,320
cameras from orbit that can photograph

2069
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:24,800
things as small as a license plate from

2070
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:28,560
orbit and can read it these are the most

2071
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:31,600
mind-bendingly high-def photographs you

2072
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:34,800
can imagine that they never allow the

2073
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,199
public to see so with two million

2074
01:27:42,310 --> 01:27:39,760
photographs that tells me that those

2075
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:42,320
guys were looking for something and a

2076
01:27:47,510 --> 01:27:45,679
buddy of mine john dr john branenburg

2077
01:27:50,390 --> 01:27:47,520
was a part

2078
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:50,400
of the clementine mission and

2079
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,520
brandenburg told me on one of his last

2080
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:56,159
appearances on dark matters radio

2081
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:58,639
that when all those clementine

2082
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,880
photographs were coming back

2083
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:03,360
okay they were not allowed to see them

2084
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:04,400
either

2085
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:08,000
there was a separate lab that got all of

2086
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,480
those photographs and they were keeping

2087
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,480
them secret so that that's something to

2088
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:13,520
chew on

2089
01:28:16,629 --> 01:28:14,719
the yikes

2090
01:28:19,350 --> 01:28:16,639
that's a good word for it

2091
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,360
yeah yikes

2092
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:20,719
it's just the same

2093
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:23,760
lunar lab stuff over all over again and

2094
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:25,920
it must really great to you to be an

2095
01:28:29,910 --> 01:28:28,800
american taxpayer and you think

2096
01:28:32,709 --> 01:28:29,920
you know

2097
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:32,719
considering nasa was supposed to be uh

2098
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:35,120
you know for the public and

2099
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:39,120
people's taxes are funding this and

2100
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:41,440
what reasons publicly could the military

2101
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,639
have

2102
01:28:47,510 --> 01:28:44,960
to say no you can't see these photos

2103
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:47,520
because if if no one's claiming that

2104
01:28:51,030 --> 01:28:49,520
there's anything i miss about the moon

2105
01:28:53,189 --> 01:28:51,040
there's nothing strange about it there's

2106
01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:53,199
no aliens there then

2107
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:54,719
why are they

2108
01:28:59,189 --> 01:28:57,040
is the military suddenly got into

2109
01:29:00,950 --> 01:28:59,199
the possible moon mining or something

2110
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:00,960
that might be an explanation but it

2111
01:29:05,590 --> 01:29:03,280
doesn't that wouldn't explain why none

2112
01:29:08,149 --> 01:29:05,600
of us could see the pictures well

2113
01:29:10,229 --> 01:29:08,159
there's no squeaky wheel gogs it doesn't

2114
01:29:13,030 --> 01:29:10,239
need any grease they're getting away

2115
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:13,040
with non-disclosure of

2116
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:13,920
a

2117
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:14,800
i think

2118
01:29:22,149 --> 01:29:20,159
worthy and salient subject here

2119
01:29:24,790 --> 01:29:22,159
nobody's uh you know

2120
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,800
putting the thumb screws on them at

2121
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,719
least in a way that the public is going

2122
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:29,040
to get behind i think most of it is due

2123
01:29:34,229 --> 01:29:31,280
to public ignorance you know it shows

2124
01:29:36,550 --> 01:29:34,239
like this to bring these subjects up and

2125
01:29:38,470 --> 01:29:36,560
you know maybe can create some sort of

2126
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:38,480
ground ground swelling

2127
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:41,600
not only public ignorance but also

2128
01:29:45,669 --> 01:29:43,760
public advocacy chris

2129
01:29:47,910 --> 01:29:45,679
yeah you know they're they're saying the

2130
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:47,920
moon well what what does what does the

2131
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:50,840
moon have to do with me and my life

2132
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,480
okay

2133
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:54,159
when they think moon they think kim

2134
01:30:03,669 --> 01:30:01,430
i'm sorry to say that sorry kim uh that

2135
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,679
wasn't meant personal no apologies

2136
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,679
you're gonna be necessary folks let's

2137
01:30:09,990 --> 01:30:07,440
just keep it as it is don't feel you

2138
01:30:12,149 --> 01:30:10,000
have to backtrack i must break i must

2139
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:12,159
break we have china hey guys i got a

2140
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,960
break

2141
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:14,960
thank you

2142
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:17,040
we've got a lot more to come also your

2143
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questions listeners of our guests panel

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including don ecker of dark matters

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with jean and with chris

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[Music]

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hey this is marie d jones the author of

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

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gene and chris and goggs and don and

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kirk on the power cast focusing on lunar

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mysteries

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why won't we go back there why the

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excuses why do they say let's go to mars

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next misdirection

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yeah

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what about china what about india other

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countries are now developing space

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programs

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uh the japanese are starting to uh to

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get their proverbials together

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01:35:45,189 --> 01:35:42,480
well actually the chinese went to the

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moon i know and i'm saying are they part

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of this equation are they part of some

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sort of potential cover-up why don't

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01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:51,679
they disclose uh their findings because

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they haven't to my knowledge no very

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01:35:58,550 --> 01:35:55,440
very little has come out about the

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chinese but you know if the chinese in

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fact and they are planning to land a

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manned mission on the moon by 2020 okay

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01:36:11,270 --> 01:36:08,400
i think it would be safe to assume that

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the chinese if they get up there

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01:36:16,709 --> 01:36:14,159
intend to put some type of base there

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and it's going to be interesting to see

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if in fact they do the indians just

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01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:21,199
recently announced that they are

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planning a uh space probe to venus

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01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:26,320
that's a that's a planet you don't hear

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01:36:32,070 --> 01:36:29,440
about much uh in terms of

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you know interest by space programs you

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can't really see any surface features in

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01:36:38,470 --> 01:36:35,760
venus because

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01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:38,480
does it not have something like uh

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ammonia clouds and

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01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:42,960
ridiculous temperatures and

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01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:45,920
that's a pretty inhospitable place yeah

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yeah

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01:36:50,950 --> 01:36:48,320
well i wonder what the scientific

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01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,960
interest of for of our country to uh

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01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:53,119
send a uh

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01:36:56,149 --> 01:36:55,119
you know a spacecraft there i wonder

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01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,159
what they're

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you know going to gain because

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you know it's easy to see why you would

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look at mercury or

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01:37:06,229 --> 01:37:03,760
pluto or whatever when we can actually

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01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,239
see see see more stuff you know but i

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01:37:11,990 --> 01:37:08,880
suppose you could do radar kind of

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01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:12,000
uh ground mapping all that kind of stuff

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01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:14,080
sarton's rings now there's something

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01:37:18,149 --> 01:37:15,679
interesting i don't

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01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,159
pretend to know that much about them but

2310
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,119
they're also quite a strange feature

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01:37:25,030 --> 01:37:22,960
they seem to change

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01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:25,040
how did they how did they come about i'm

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01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,280
not a believer in some of the silly

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01:37:30,470 --> 01:37:29,199
theories i've heard about

2315
01:37:32,709 --> 01:37:30,480
you know the uh

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01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:32,719
the ring makers of saturn

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01:37:36,470 --> 01:37:34,320
there may have been ring makers but

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giant ships and whatever but

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but that's something worth looking at

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01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:39,360
again

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was it voyager that initially went past

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saturn's rings and gave us those great

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01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,600
pictures

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01:37:50,310 --> 01:37:46,560
yeah

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01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:50,320
since that have gone up for a close look

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01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:51,760
and nobody's

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01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:52,880
nobody's

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01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:54,960
found out how they kind of came about i

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01:37:59,510 --> 01:37:57,440
don't think so anyway yeah and nobody's

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01:38:02,470 --> 01:37:59,520
uh come up with an explanation

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01:38:04,470 --> 01:38:02,480
how one of the bands in that ring around

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01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:04,480
saturn is braided

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01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,840
braided hoe

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01:38:10,550 --> 01:38:08,000
it's interwoven with itself

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01:38:11,830 --> 01:38:10,560
and it doesn't conform to any other ring

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01:38:13,590 --> 01:38:11,840
to my knowledge

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or any other band

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01:38:19,270 --> 01:38:16,560
of that ring around saturn oh we've got

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01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:19,280
iapetus i think it's jupiter's moon that

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01:38:24,390 --> 01:38:22,080
looks like a death star that's got the

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01:38:26,870 --> 01:38:24,400
kind of uh hexagonal

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01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:26,880
sections it's like it's almost like a

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01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,520
well i don't know dodecahedron or one of

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01:38:32,229 --> 01:38:30,960
these kind of

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01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,239
spherical

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01:38:36,390 --> 01:38:35,040
shapes that are made up of uh hexagons i

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01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,400
think there's a bit more of that in the

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01:38:39,750 --> 01:38:38,639
solar system as well um

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01:38:42,950 --> 01:38:39,760
where you

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01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,960
may should have just a standard crater

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01:38:47,750 --> 01:38:45,199
or whatever you've quite often got these

2352
01:38:48,629 --> 01:38:47,760
more geometric things going on and quite

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01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:48,639
often

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01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:50,400
hexagons i don't know if it's something

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01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,360
about

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01:38:56,229 --> 01:38:54,239
we know how with crystals and and water

2357
01:38:57,189 --> 01:38:56,239
and ice and things you know they can

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:57,199
form

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01:39:02,229 --> 01:39:00,239
interesting shapes but not a huge huge

2360
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:02,239
yes geologic feature like that well what

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01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:06,000
about these wonderful images of pluto

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01:39:10,470 --> 01:39:07,520
and

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01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,480
many people online are pointing out that

2364
01:39:14,790 --> 01:39:13,040
there's this wonderful heart uh shape

2365
01:39:17,510 --> 01:39:14,800
that's uh you know in the southern

2366
01:39:19,109 --> 01:39:17,520
hemisphere that that people are uh

2367
01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,119
sitting there getting all twitter

2368
01:39:22,950 --> 01:39:21,280
painted about what about that winter

2369
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,960
painted

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01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:24,880
yeah yeah it's like their hearts go

2371
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:26,800
fluttering because they see a heart

2372
01:39:29,990 --> 01:39:28,080
peridealia

2373
01:39:33,030 --> 01:39:30,000
no one's going to touch that one no and

2374
01:39:38,310 --> 01:39:34,950
well you know it's like i was just

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01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:38,320
reading about the closest planet to our

2376
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:42,800
star mercury okay and astronomers were

2377
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:45,280
astounded to discover

2378
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,840
that areas of mercury in shade not only

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01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:51,760
have ice

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01:39:56,229 --> 01:39:52,800
okay

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01:39:58,870 --> 01:39:56,239
lining craters on the planet mercury

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01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:58,880
which is only a few few basically a few

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01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:01,520
million miles from the sun

2384
01:40:08,470 --> 01:40:05,280
but a black material that they believe

2385
01:40:10,709 --> 01:40:08,480
is biological now how would that have

2386
01:40:13,830 --> 01:40:10,719
ever gotten there well the only way that

2387
01:40:15,189 --> 01:40:13,840
i'm aware of would have been deposits by

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01:40:17,910 --> 01:40:15,199
comets

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01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:17,920
slamming into the planet but

2390
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:19,920
the fact of the matter remains they

2391
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,440
found water ice there and material

2392
01:40:27,590 --> 01:40:25,920
believed to be biological in nature so

2393
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,600
the bottom line is

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01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:29,679
our universe has

2395
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:32,480
all the ingredients for life

2396
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:37,040
okay strewn throughout the cosmos a rich

2397
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,800
bunch of water and biological material

2398
01:40:44,310 --> 01:40:43,280
how can anybody deny that there is life

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01:40:45,750 --> 01:40:44,320
out there

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01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,760
well i don't i don't think that's the

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01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,920
question the question is

2402
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,840
you know with all these uh you know

2403
01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:52,239
quadrillions of potential planets out

2404
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,320
there how can anybody suggest that

2405
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:56,320
there's not life uh out there in the

2406
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,840
universe and that

2407
01:41:01,270 --> 01:41:00,000
in terms of uh sentient life intelligent

2408
01:41:03,109 --> 01:41:01,280
life i mean

2409
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:03,119
we can't be

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01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:05,280
with our biodiversity on this planet we

2411
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,159
cannot be the only intelligent evolved

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01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:10,239
species in the universe and i'll be the

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01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:12,719
first one to champion

2414
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,880
any efforts to locate

2415
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:16,639
those you know

2416
01:41:21,910 --> 01:41:19,199
signs or or signals that life is out

2417
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:21,920
there in fact uh you know a recent uh

2418
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:23,760
headline here within the last couple of

2419
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,880
weeks is a rich billionaire in russia i

2420
01:41:31,669 --> 01:41:29,280
think his name is what yuri melner has

2421
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:31,679
pledged a hundred million dollars

2422
01:41:34,709 --> 01:41:33,119
for a private

2423
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:34,719
seti program

2424
01:41:37,590 --> 01:41:36,480
i i think we're seeing in the culture

2425
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:37,600
we're seeing

2426
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,560
when big money starts stepping up and

2427
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,360
addressing this particular issue i think

2428
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:45,199
that bodes well for

2429
01:41:48,390 --> 01:41:46,400
for the field

2430
01:41:50,149 --> 01:41:48,400
i think in the long run obviously in the

2431
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:50,159
short term uh we're going to still deal

2432
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,440
with hollywood bastardizing our subject

2433
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:55,360
but kurt we haven't heard from you in a

2434
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:56,159
while

2435
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:57,119
i mean

2436
01:42:02,709 --> 01:42:00,159
where do you stand on lunar anomalies

2437
01:42:03,510 --> 01:42:02,719
transient lunar phenomena for instance

2438
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:03,520
uh

2439
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:04,960
all these other subjects we've been

2440
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:06,800
talking about where where are you on all

2441
01:42:11,430 --> 01:42:09,679
this well i lost for a lot of it i'll

2442
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,440
tell you i've heard of some of the

2443
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:13,199
things and i'm not familiar with them so

2444
01:42:17,189 --> 01:42:15,600
i really don't feel qualified to comment

2445
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,199
but i thought you know we mentioned a

2446
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:19,040
few things that you know one was it one

2447
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:22,480
was apathy and i think the as a

2448
01:42:27,669 --> 01:42:24,960
the apathy in in the general public of

2449
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:27,679
ufos has kind of followed that of

2450
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,199
the the trailing off of the space

2451
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,960
program or at least the manned space

2452
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,440
program and uh you know when in the

2453
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:35,520
early development of space flight and

2454
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:38,560
rocketry and the interest in in ufos

2455
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:40,639
these they seem to kind of be lockstep

2456
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,280
at least up through the 60s and and

2457
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:45,280
there were a lot of people that uh well

2458
01:42:50,790 --> 01:42:48,239
you know even uh john schussler of mufon

2459
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,800
was uh you know he worked for the uh he

2460
01:42:55,510 --> 01:42:53,199
worked for a contractor at nasa and

2461
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:55,520
those people were interested in ufos and

2462
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:57,840
in space flight and it was all kind of

2463
01:43:01,510 --> 01:42:59,760
working together and this sort of thing

2464
01:43:03,350 --> 01:43:01,520
doesn't seem to be happening nearly as

2465
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:03,360
much now and i mentioned before about

2466
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:04,239
how the

2467
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:06,080
the the people that insist that there is

2468
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:07,920
life throughout the universe they don't

2469
01:43:13,030 --> 01:43:10,159
seem to be interested a bit

2470
01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:13,040
in in what might have visited earth if

2471
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:15,920
if that's possible so um you know i

2472
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:17,679
think that there's it's interesting to

2473
01:43:22,629 --> 01:43:20,320
see how that those ideas work together

2474
01:43:23,510 --> 01:43:22,639
and yet to seem to have fallen apart now

2475
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,520
and

2476
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:25,520
other than that i think it's interesting

2477
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:27,040
you know we're talking about when you

2478
01:43:30,709 --> 01:43:28,960
mention pluto that some of the

2479
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,719
achievements now are

2480
01:43:35,430 --> 01:43:33,360
done with uh unmanned exploration you

2481
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:35,440
know of course getting a person to pluto

2482
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,080
would be a huge undertaking but i think

2483
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,639
we need to rely more more on that for

2484
01:43:44,550 --> 01:43:42,719
exploration i think if we do through

2485
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:44,560
things on the moon it's probably also

2486
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:46,400
going to be unmanned but just because of

2487
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,760
the demands of the oxygen water and life

2488
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:52,000
support it's going to be so much faster

2489
01:43:57,910 --> 01:43:54,560
and now the the controls i mean just the

2490
01:44:00,390 --> 01:43:57,920
the old uh apollo missions there the

2491
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,400
computer to run the systems was so

2492
01:44:04,950 --> 01:44:02,960
primitive so we should be able to do a

2493
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:04,960
whole lot more things with the

2494
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,520
technology that we have now and i don't

2495
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:09,360
know if nothing else verify what's

2496
01:44:13,669 --> 01:44:11,679
what's going on so far you brought up a

2497
01:44:16,950 --> 01:44:13,679
really good point about robotics a

2498
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,960
recent headline announced that uh ai and

2499
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:18,880
artificial intelligence had actually

2500
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,560
passed the turing test

2501
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:22,719
and that that's a big hurdle if people

2502
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:23,920
out there are not familiar with the

2503
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:27,199
turing test it's a double-blind i guess

2504
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,639
scenario where a human and a artificial

2505
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,040
intelligence you know unbeknownst to the

2506
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:36,080
listener uh respond to questions and the

2507
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:38,080
listener really can't determine which is

2508
01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:38,880
uh

2509
01:44:43,270 --> 01:44:41,600
the robot and which is which is human i

2510
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:43,280
think obviously

2511
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:46,159
robotics would be the way to um

2512
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,480
especially with uh quantum computing

2513
01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:50,400
things that are on the horizon i think

2514
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:52,239
that robotics would be

2515
01:44:57,750 --> 01:44:54,480
obviously a very effective way of of

2516
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:57,760
doing deep space exploration and you

2517
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,119
know it just it

2518
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,480
as as time marches on we have more and

2519
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:04,800
more technological advances that allow

2520
01:45:08,390 --> 01:45:06,880
us to do more and more things and we've

2521
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,400
got a really interesting question here

2522
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:10,320
from our friend up in canada and calgary

2523
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:13,760
ufology who's back on the paracast forum

2524
01:45:17,510 --> 01:45:16,000
at forum.theparacast.com

2525
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:17,520
let's have that question in our next

2526
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:19,920
segment with g and chris

2527
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goggs don

2528
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a little right a little left but always

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independent minded the genesis

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communications network gcn

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officer is haunted by intense dreams

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about a beautiful woman pleading for his

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2540
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2541
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2542
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2582
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2583
01:48:01,270 --> 01:47:54,320
and now

2584
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:04,709
gene kriston

2585
01:48:09,070 --> 01:48:07,430
tongue twisters we have question

2586
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:09,080
from our forums at

2587
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:10,800
forum.powercast.com that chris is going

2588
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,360
to read from randall ufology who's

2589
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:15,600
returned after somewhat of an absence

2590
01:48:18,390 --> 01:48:16,560
chris

2591
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,400
well he's wondering and i'm going to

2592
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,080
throw this out for everybody kurt why

2593
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,400
don't you start what sort of progress do

2594
01:48:26,070 --> 01:48:24,800
you hope to see or happen over the next

2595
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:26,080
20 years

2596
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:28,320
on the many subjects that we cover on

2597
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,360
the show

2598
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,880
and which of these

2599
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:33,199
interest you the most ufos are

2600
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:35,679
definitely top my list and as far as as

2601
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:37,199
progress

2602
01:48:40,629 --> 01:48:38,080
hmm

2603
01:48:43,109 --> 01:48:40,639
well get some of the the sensational

2604
01:48:45,270 --> 01:48:43,119
junk out of the way and to to actually

2605
01:48:46,470 --> 01:48:45,280
see that we're working more with the

2606
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,480
qualified

2607
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:48,639
uh trained scientific

2608
01:48:51,189 --> 01:48:49,760
minds

2609
01:48:53,350 --> 01:48:51,199
you know you know that's going to rule

2610
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,360
me out you know but i'm a big booster of

2611
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:56,159
things but you know it's uh you know

2612
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:58,239
eliminates some of this uh carnival

2613
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:59,840
inside show

2614
01:49:03,350 --> 01:49:01,440
thing that is just

2615
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:03,360
polluted things there are things out

2616
01:49:06,550 --> 01:49:05,199
there if nothing else you know there's

2617
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:06,560
always going to be something beyond our

2618
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,480
understanding whether it's going to be a

2619
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:10,480
you know something physical you know

2620
01:49:14,070 --> 01:49:11,840
ideas

2621
01:49:15,590 --> 01:49:14,080
we have to keep keep pushing and you

2622
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:15,600
know i happen to think that there is

2623
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,320
something you know behind all these ufo

2624
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,480
sightings and uh

2625
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:22,239
it may be a small fraction but that

2626
01:49:25,830 --> 01:49:24,239
small fraction's worth pursuing so you

2627
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:25,840
know i want to see that more work

2628
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,840
continue to that we've been at about 70

2629
01:49:32,310 --> 01:49:29,760
years maybe we're maybe we're getting

2630
01:49:33,990 --> 01:49:32,320
closer i hope so i think you're being

2631
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:34,000
how would i put this politely i think

2632
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,600
you're being

2633
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:37,520
you're putting a positive spin on the

2634
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:38,800
time frame

2635
01:49:44,790 --> 01:49:41,440
well maybe so uh but you know just think

2636
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:44,800
uh you know any other scientific uh

2637
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:47,520
exploration uh any any other field some

2638
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,679
of the stuff's taken centuries so

2639
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:52,000
you know a few decades

2640
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:53,679
you know this is this is important you

2641
01:49:57,109 --> 01:49:55,600
know it's worth pushing past

2642
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,119
these barriers

2643
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,400
what do you think dogs where are we

2644
01:50:02,310 --> 01:50:00,080
going to be in 20 years

2645
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,320
a couple of things i would like to see

2646
01:50:06,229 --> 01:50:04,880
in terms of maybe progress in the next

2647
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:06,239
20 years

2648
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:09,199
i wouldn't mind seeing some kind of

2649
01:50:12,790 --> 01:50:11,440
edward snowden-esque

2650
01:50:15,910 --> 01:50:12,800
wikileaks

2651
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:15,920
kind of leak of information possibly um

2652
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:18,639
to do with the ufology maybe something

2653
01:50:23,030 --> 01:50:21,440
like that could be interesting also uh

2654
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,040
going back to something i mentioned

2655
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:25,679
earlier on it would be great if our own

2656
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:28,000
public scientists

2657
01:50:33,430 --> 01:50:30,080
um could you know make some kind of

2658
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,440
discovery to do with anti-gravity or

2659
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:35,520
faster than light travel whatever

2660
01:50:40,470 --> 01:50:36,880
because then

2661
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:40,480
it might make the whole idea of

2662
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,840
ufos et whatever far more palatable and

2663
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,360
acceptable to

2664
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:47,440
the mainstream and

2665
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:49,440
you know these these things could really

2666
01:50:54,870 --> 01:50:52,560
help us go forward into for us i mean

2667
01:50:57,750 --> 01:50:54,880
i'm talking about from a point of view

2668
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:57,760
where i think there is something going

2669
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,840
on i don't know what it is but i do

2670
01:51:02,709 --> 01:51:01,679
think there are object objects in the

2671
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:02,719
sky

2672
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,719
uh that are not built by us and they've

2673
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,400
been built by somebody and they're being

2674
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:09,360
controlled by somebody or something and

2675
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:10,800
so i think

2676
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,080
just a

2677
01:51:15,990 --> 01:51:14,239
those couple of things i've mentioned if

2678
01:51:18,390 --> 01:51:16,000
if they were to happen in the next 20

2679
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,400
years we might actually get somewhere

2680
01:51:22,790 --> 01:51:20,480
especially in terms of

2681
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:22,800
getting the rest of the population yeah

2682
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:26,000
i'm constantly amazed at how some people

2683
01:51:28,790 --> 01:51:26,960
uh

2684
01:51:32,550 --> 01:51:28,800
they just really don't care what they

2685
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:32,560
couldn't care less about ufos

2686
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:35,520
it never even enters their their head to

2687
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,000
to think about to ponder whether any of

2688
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:39,920
the cases are real whether they've been

2689
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,119
here

2690
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,679
and some people i i wonder you know the

2691
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,960
old uh

2692
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,199
landing on the white house lawn i'm not

2693
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:49,199
sure the people who care about kim

2694
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,639
kardashian

2695
01:51:53,750 --> 01:51:52,880
i don't think they would really pay paid

2696
01:51:57,589 --> 01:51:53,760
any

2697
01:51:58,550 --> 01:51:57,599
uh going back quickly to the whole thing

2698
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:58,560
about

2699
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:01,360
is there apathy towards ufos

2700
01:52:06,870 --> 01:52:04,000
i think that's probably being wrongly

2701
01:52:08,709 --> 01:52:06,880
reported by the same forces

2702
01:52:10,149 --> 01:52:08,719
that control

2703
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:10,159
the slant

2704
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:13,199
that of ufo reporting you know in fox

2705
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:16,960
nbc these kind of things because every

2706
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,800
time there's a poll of say like the

2707
01:52:23,189 --> 01:52:20,400
american public

2708
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:23,199
there's a large percentage of people who

2709
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,520
believe in extraterrestrial life

2710
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:27,920
and a fair amount to them also

2711
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:29,920
believe that they've visited here and

2712
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:32,080
they believe in ufos so this doesn't

2713
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,520
really uh

2714
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:35,840
this there's a mismatch here with

2715
01:52:39,430 --> 01:52:37,520
um

2716
01:52:41,830 --> 01:52:39,440
what what the powers that be would have

2717
01:52:43,990 --> 01:52:41,840
you believe have us believe the average

2718
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:44,000
person a lot of the average person in

2719
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,199
the street is interested but they don't

2720
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:48,800
really get to

2721
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:51,440
and they don't get into a position where

2722
01:52:56,830 --> 01:52:55,440
them caring means anything

2723
01:52:59,589 --> 01:52:56,840
what about you

2724
01:53:03,270 --> 01:52:59,599
don't well the next

2725
01:53:05,350 --> 01:53:03,280
20 years and i'm i'm thinking uh about

2726
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,360
the apollo program

2727
01:53:09,430 --> 01:53:07,760
back in the 60s now

2728
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:09,440
at that period of time there were a lot

2729
01:53:13,990 --> 01:53:12,639
of terrible horrible things that were

2730
01:53:16,790 --> 01:53:14,000
going on

2731
01:53:18,790 --> 01:53:16,800
there were race riots in the city

2732
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:18,800
there were

2733
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:22,159
the war was going on in vietnam

2734
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:23,040
but

2735
01:53:29,189 --> 01:53:26,560
the apollo program gave the not only the

2736
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:29,199
american public but the world

2737
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,960
something to look up and marvel at

2738
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:34,719
good good point

2739
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:38,880
and right now in many ways we're dealing

2740
01:53:44,790 --> 01:53:42,159
with exactly the same set of situations

2741
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:44,800
that were ongoing in the sixties

2742
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,080
my point being we need something to

2743
01:53:52,149 --> 01:53:50,159
galvanize

2744
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:52,159
not only the american people but the

2745
01:53:59,189 --> 01:53:55,199
people of the world and you know

2746
01:54:01,189 --> 01:53:59,199
automatically my mind goes to a joint

2747
01:54:02,629 --> 01:54:01,199
manned mission

2748
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:02,639
to mars

2749
01:54:06,310 --> 01:54:04,719
there are a tremendous amount of

2750
01:54:08,229 --> 01:54:06,320
questions

2751
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:08,239
that are still awaiting us to be

2752
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:11,280
answered up in the sky and mars would

2753
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:13,040
seem to be

2754
01:54:22,229 --> 01:54:17,920
the next place for a human mission to go

2755
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:22,239
for exploration's sake and scientific

2756
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:24,400
sake and i would love to see something

2757
01:54:28,950 --> 01:54:26,800
like that happen will it happen

2758
01:54:31,189 --> 01:54:28,960
right now guys i really got to tell you

2759
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,199
i'm pessimistic about it

2760
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:33,440
now the fair bothers me don

2761
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,360
is the fact that we could land

2762
01:54:41,430 --> 01:54:37,840
humans on the moon

2763
01:54:44,310 --> 01:54:41,440
in 1969 with that technology

2764
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:44,320
and right now 2015

2765
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:45,360
we have

2766
01:54:50,310 --> 01:54:48,159
amazing computers

2767
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,320
we have a personal computer in your hand

2768
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,520
with an iphone or a samsung galaxy we

2769
01:54:58,229 --> 01:54:55,920
have an apple watch we all have all this

2770
01:55:01,109 --> 01:54:58,239
stuff we've certainly learned more about

2771
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:01,119
propulsion about rockets

2772
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:03,199
and we have to wait what another 20

2773
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:05,520
years to go to mars that's absurd see

2774
01:55:11,589 --> 01:55:08,320
you see here here's the thing gene

2775
01:55:14,790 --> 01:55:11,599
and i was getting to this to this point

2776
01:55:17,270 --> 01:55:14,800
we have absolutely no conception of what

2777
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:17,280
the cutting edge is

2778
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:20,239
if you for one second think

2779
01:55:25,430 --> 01:55:22,880
that what we see flying in the sky right

2780
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:25,440
now is all we have

2781
01:55:33,109 --> 01:55:29,760
then i i think we are all sadly mistaken

2782
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:33,119
i am convinced that the black programs

2783
01:55:41,189 --> 01:55:37,599
that we know are ongoing all the time

2784
01:55:44,550 --> 01:55:41,199
sucking up billions of dollars trillions

2785
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:44,560
they have something there pretty doggone

2786
01:55:47,910 --> 01:55:45,440
hot

2787
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:47,920
okay that they're keeping under wraps

2788
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:50,880
and that offends me

2789
01:55:55,350 --> 01:55:53,599
yeah here here well that explains why we

2790
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:55,360
should have no problem

2791
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:57,440
getting someone to mars in a couple of

2792
01:56:03,350 --> 01:55:59,440
years

2793
01:56:05,510 --> 01:56:03,360
well the the question is okay

2794
01:56:08,229 --> 01:56:05,520
when would any of this

2795
01:56:10,470 --> 01:56:08,239
technology be presented

2796
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:10,480
to the world at large or the american

2797
01:56:15,430 --> 01:56:11,360
people

2798
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:15,440
okay and and if if you know hindsight is

2799
01:56:22,229 --> 01:56:19,360
2020 and if hindsight is any indication

2800
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,239
i don't for a second think these guys

2801
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:24,400
are going to display anything

2802
01:56:29,669 --> 01:56:27,440
until hell freezes over

2803
01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:29,679
exactly

2804
01:56:34,149 --> 01:56:32,159
which means we're still reliant on

2805
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:34,159
chemical rockets

2806
01:56:38,950 --> 01:56:37,599
and which th that technology hasn't

2807
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:38,960
advanced

2808
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:41,599
it can't advance really enough

2809
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:42,639
to

2810
01:56:45,990 --> 01:56:45,199
make the logistics of

2811
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:46,000
how

2812
01:56:49,430 --> 01:56:48,080
sending something to another planetary

2813
01:56:51,750 --> 01:56:49,440
body

2814
01:56:54,950 --> 01:56:51,760
it's all about the weight it's all about

2815
01:56:57,430 --> 01:56:54,960
the fuel and if the black programs that

2816
01:56:59,270 --> 01:56:57,440
may have some other propulsion up their

2817
01:57:02,709 --> 01:56:59,280
sleeve if we're not going to find out

2818
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:02,719
about that then any public nasa mission

2819
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:05,440
or whatever to mars is still dependent

2820
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:07,840
on the same technology that took us to

2821
01:57:13,510 --> 01:57:11,440
the moon and um that that's quite

2822
01:57:16,229 --> 01:57:13,520
difficult or it's going to be costly it

2823
01:57:18,310 --> 01:57:16,239
certainly hasn't like advanced too much

2824
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but yeah that's almost been a half

2825
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century ago

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for all intents and purposes it's been

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don and kurt and goggs and jean and

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[Music]

2931
02:02:04,390 --> 02:02:03,040
it's shop talk listener round table call

2932
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it what you will

2933
02:02:08,390 --> 02:02:06,719
we have don ecker dark matters radio

2934
02:02:09,510 --> 02:02:08,400
show kurt collins

2935
02:02:15,270 --> 02:02:09,520
and

2936
02:02:18,870 --> 02:02:15,280
had a comment yeah this this is uh one

2937
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:18,880
of the conundrums that there seems to be

2938
02:02:23,189 --> 02:02:20,400
absolutely

2939
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:23,199
no way of breaking out of you know the

2940
02:02:27,830 --> 02:02:25,679
famous story about

2941
02:02:30,950 --> 02:02:27,840
alexander the great when he was

2942
02:02:34,310 --> 02:02:30,960
presented with the gordian knot that

2943
02:02:37,189 --> 02:02:34,320
anybody that could untie that knot would

2944
02:02:39,030 --> 02:02:37,199
become king or emperor and he took a

2945
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,040
look at the knot and he said the heck

2946
02:02:42,790 --> 02:02:41,760
with this pulled out his sword and cut

2947
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:42,800
it off

2948
02:02:49,510 --> 02:02:46,560
that's exactly what we need when we're

2949
02:02:51,350 --> 02:02:49,520
talking about these hidden technologies

2950
02:02:53,589 --> 02:02:51,360
that i am convinced

2951
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:53,599
that are available but

2952
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:55,760
what they're doing with it hey for all

2953
02:03:00,550 --> 02:02:57,360
we know and of course this is

2954
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:00,560
speculation but they have their own

2955
02:03:07,109 --> 02:03:03,520
private they being the powers to be

2956
02:03:10,950 --> 02:03:07,119
have their own private space fleet doing

2957
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:10,960
god knows what okay and you know hey

2958
02:03:14,910 --> 02:03:14,000
when you look at something as marvelous

2959
02:03:17,430 --> 02:03:14,920
as the

2960
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:17,440
sr-71 airplane

2961
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:19,920
that still today

2962
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:22,880
okay when flying can break any speed

2963
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:25,840
record in the world is technology over

2964
02:03:30,550 --> 02:03:27,520
60 years old

2965
02:03:32,629 --> 02:03:30,560
so if you think that's cutting edge oh

2966
02:03:35,109 --> 02:03:32,639
boy i'll let you get back to your uh

2967
02:03:36,310 --> 02:03:35,119
correspondence with the tooth fairy

2968
02:03:39,430 --> 02:03:36,320
because

2969
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:39,440
you know this this this is ludicrous to

2970
02:03:44,950 --> 02:03:41,599
believe that we haven't made

2971
02:03:47,669 --> 02:03:44,960
huge advances that are totally top

2972
02:03:50,629 --> 02:03:47,679
secret and i resent that that it's not

2973
02:03:52,629 --> 02:03:50,639
being made available to things like the

2974
02:03:54,550 --> 02:03:52,639
space program yeah i mean if there's

2975
02:03:57,669 --> 02:03:54,560
still a requirement an official

2976
02:04:00,390 --> 02:03:57,679
requirement for places like area 51 to

2977
02:04:02,709 --> 02:04:00,400
be top secret protected like they are

2978
02:04:05,109 --> 02:04:02,719
that kind of indicates that

2979
02:04:07,750 --> 02:04:05,119
they're still doing things that you know

2980
02:04:09,669 --> 02:04:07,760
nobody knows about because

2981
02:04:12,750 --> 02:04:09,679
the last thing that we know for sure

2982
02:04:14,950 --> 02:04:12,760
they did what was things like the

2983
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:14,960
f-117 or

2984
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:19,119
u2 spy plane sr-71 as don just mentioned

2985
02:04:22,390 --> 02:04:21,360
so these things are known about they're

2986
02:04:24,629 --> 02:04:22,400
kind of

2987
02:04:27,910 --> 02:04:24,639
from pretty well in the past

2988
02:04:28,790 --> 02:04:27,920
so what's been going on the last 10 20

2989
02:04:31,750 --> 02:04:28,800
years

2990
02:04:32,790 --> 02:04:31,760
just a place like area 51 where we know

2991
02:04:34,550 --> 02:04:32,800
the uh

2992
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:34,560
the large

2993
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:37,520
aerospace companies like lockheed martin

2994
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:40,080
um they're very active there so what

2995
02:04:44,070 --> 02:04:41,840
have they been up to what have they been

2996
02:04:46,709 --> 02:04:44,080
spending billions trillions of dollars

2997
02:04:49,030 --> 02:04:46,719
on yeah there has to be

2998
02:04:50,830 --> 02:04:49,040
stuff there and sometimes i just wish

2999
02:04:53,589 --> 02:04:50,840
there could be like a

3000
02:04:57,109 --> 02:04:53,599
grassroots revolution of like you know

3001
02:04:59,430 --> 02:04:57,119
half the population of las vegas march

3002
02:05:02,470 --> 02:04:59,440
out to area 51 and say

3003
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:02,480
no we are paying for this we're fed up

3004
02:05:07,030 --> 02:05:04,719
of the secrecy how do we know you are

3005
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:07,040
using our money correctly

3006
02:05:09,910 --> 02:05:07,840
you know

3007
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:09,920
etc and what they're going to do the

3008
02:05:14,310 --> 02:05:12,960
camo dudes can't take them all out

3009
02:05:16,870 --> 02:05:14,320
as hell we're not going to take it

3010
02:05:19,990 --> 02:05:16,880
anymore i think the sr

3011
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:20,000
doesn't the sr-71 still hold the air

3012
02:05:25,030 --> 02:05:22,480
speed record yep

3013
02:05:26,470 --> 02:05:25,040
what's wrong with that picture don

3014
02:05:29,669 --> 02:05:26,480
well you know

3015
02:05:31,589 --> 02:05:29,679
now a few years ago where i live here in

3016
02:05:34,390 --> 02:05:31,599
southern california

3017
02:05:37,350 --> 02:05:34,400
we used to routinely get

3018
02:05:40,229 --> 02:05:37,360
bombarded when the space shuttle

3019
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:40,239
would come back in and you know after it

3020
02:05:42,950 --> 02:05:42,080
had been in orbit

3021
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:42,960
and

3022
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:47,280
heck it was going

3023
02:05:51,830 --> 02:05:49,520
and we'd hear that thing come in with

3024
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:51,840
tremendous sonic booms

3025
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:53,840
over the mountains that are to the north

3026
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:54,719
of me

3027
02:05:57,669 --> 02:05:55,760
well

3028
02:05:59,589 --> 02:05:57,679
something else

3029
02:06:03,189 --> 02:05:59,599
also came in

3030
02:06:07,270 --> 02:06:03,199
that i used to see occasionally

3031
02:06:11,589 --> 02:06:07,280
and it was the uh the unknown object

3032
02:06:13,510 --> 02:06:11,599
that had like a donut on a rope contrail

3033
02:06:16,149 --> 02:06:13,520
you know what i'm talking about

3034
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:16,159
was it the aurora yeah well that that

3035
02:06:20,870 --> 02:06:18,000
was the publicly

3036
02:06:22,470 --> 02:06:20,880
uh used name for that thing but

3037
02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,480
allegedly

3038
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:24,719
and i can't prove this but this is what

3039
02:06:29,430 --> 02:06:26,000
they were saying

3040
02:06:30,790 --> 02:06:29,440
this thing could get to any point on the

3041
02:06:33,189 --> 02:06:30,800
planet

3042
02:06:33,990 --> 02:06:33,199
in under an hour

3043
02:06:36,149 --> 02:06:34,000
some

3044
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:36,159
propulsion was it pulsed that's why it

3045
02:06:39,910 --> 02:06:38,320
was the air yes

3046
02:06:42,149 --> 02:06:39,920
it could be

3047
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:42,159
launched or take off

3048
02:06:48,069 --> 02:06:45,679
and it could leave here from california

3049
02:06:51,109 --> 02:06:48,079
and for example could go up to

3050
02:06:52,310 --> 02:06:51,119
suborbital space and come down for

3051
02:06:56,069 --> 02:06:52,320
example

3052
02:06:57,750 --> 02:06:56,079
in australia in under an hour now think

3053
02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:57,760
about that okay

3054
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:59,840
that's the kind of technology we're

3055
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:01,679
talking about of course

3056
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:05,520
uh it was denied routinely by the us air

3057
02:07:09,109 --> 02:07:06,480
force

3058
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:09,119
but are we really taking them at their

3059
02:07:10,950 --> 02:07:10,079
word

3060
02:07:13,750 --> 02:07:10,960
i'm not

3061
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:13,760
could all these mystery booms be some

3062
02:07:18,950 --> 02:07:16,800
kind of uh audible evidence of

3063
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:18,960
high mach speed

3064
02:07:23,350 --> 02:07:21,360
uh aircraft in the high atmosphere

3065
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:23,360
obviously if they're going crazy speeds

3066
02:07:27,430 --> 02:07:25,440
they it's quite possible they could be

3067
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:27,440
creating these kind of booms all around

3068
02:07:32,149 --> 02:07:28,560
the world

3069
02:07:33,589 --> 02:07:32,159
absolutely absolutely yes

3070
02:07:36,229 --> 02:07:33,599
it could be

3071
02:07:39,030 --> 02:07:36,239
uh that that's as good an explanation

3072
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:39,040
dogs as anything i've heard hey chris

3073
02:07:43,910 --> 02:07:41,119
can you give us an update on uh ray

3074
02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:43,920
stanford because he he supposedly got

3075
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:46,320
some interesting work to do with the

3076
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:49,280
propulsion of what he is like i analyzed

3077
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:51,119
from some photos

3078
02:07:55,990 --> 02:07:53,040
have you heard anything

3079
02:07:57,990 --> 02:07:56,000
yeah actually um i have a call with ray

3080
02:07:59,830 --> 02:07:58,000
later on today i haven't uh spoke with

3081
02:08:01,910 --> 02:07:59,840
him in in about a month

3082
02:08:04,629 --> 02:08:01,920
i think uh i mean i probably shouldn't

3083
02:08:06,629 --> 02:08:04,639
be saying this on on the air and i'll

3084
02:08:09,109 --> 02:08:06,639
probably get in trouble but

3085
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:09,119
um a principal in the european space

3086
02:08:13,189 --> 02:08:11,920
agency just paid a visit to him

3087
02:08:15,430 --> 02:08:13,199
and uh

3088
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,440
he's quietly going about

3089
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:17,199
kind of you know

3090
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:19,599
how would i put this sort of educating

3091
02:08:25,589 --> 02:08:23,199
uh academics educating scientists

3092
02:08:28,149 --> 02:08:25,599
about his work number one introducing

3093
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,159
them to his work and then educating them

3094
02:08:33,189 --> 02:08:30,639
about how his analytical process is

3095
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:33,199
being actualized with that work

3096
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:36,480
and i think his near near-term goal is

3097
02:08:40,550 --> 02:08:38,000
to go ahead and

3098
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:40,560
be invited to the goddard space flight

3099
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:42,960
center and present this work

3100
02:08:47,589 --> 02:08:46,320
to the top echelons of our space program

3101
02:08:49,350 --> 02:08:47,599
you know ray

3102
02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,360
he doesn't have many years left i'm sure

3103
02:08:54,870 --> 02:08:51,599
i mean the guy's in his uh early to mid

3104
02:08:56,950 --> 02:08:54,880
70s so you know he i i really do feel he

3105
02:08:58,069 --> 02:08:56,960
has a kind of a light under his tail and

3106
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,079
i've been

3107
02:09:03,510 --> 02:09:01,360
i just you know

3108
02:09:05,669 --> 02:09:03,520
the ball's in his court there's really

3109
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,679
nobody is going to make ray do anything

3110
02:09:09,350 --> 02:09:07,679
that he doesn't want to do so i'm i'm

3111
02:09:11,510 --> 02:09:09,360
just being a cheerleader

3112
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:11,520
trying to give him as much uh

3113
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:14,480
you know support as a friend to cut to

3114
02:09:18,390 --> 02:09:16,800
the chase to to take that 14-hour

3115
02:09:19,750 --> 02:09:18,400
presentation and make it into a

3116
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:19,760
hard-hitting

3117
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:23,440
90 minutes hour 15 minutes he needs to

3118
02:09:28,550 --> 02:09:25,760
really distill his his analytical

3119
02:09:32,069 --> 02:09:28,560
process down to a point where he can go

3120
02:09:33,189 --> 02:09:32,079
in and slam dunk any academic any

3121
02:09:35,270 --> 02:09:33,199
scientist

3122
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:35,280
especially those who are up to speed in

3123
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:38,320
optical physics and that in any types of

3124
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,480
phenomena in the arena that he's dealing

3125
02:09:45,270 --> 02:09:42,639
with and he's he's

3126
02:09:48,709 --> 02:09:45,280
i've really taken a step back in terms

3127
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:48,719
of presenting rey and talking about ray

3128
02:09:53,270 --> 02:09:50,719
ray is the only guy that is going to be

3129
02:09:54,870 --> 02:09:53,280
able to represent his work in the way

3130
02:09:57,430 --> 02:09:54,880
that it needs to

3131
02:10:00,709 --> 02:09:57,440
you know be presented to have a real

3132
02:10:03,270 --> 02:10:00,719
positive impact and i think he needs to

3133
02:10:04,470 --> 02:10:03,280
shoot to the top and let it filter down

3134
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:04,480
sort of

3135
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:07,360
kind of reagan uh trickle economics uh

3136
02:10:10,629 --> 02:10:08,560
in terms of

3137
02:10:12,790 --> 02:10:10,639
you know his analytical process and i

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think that's a really smart approach

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02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:15,920
okay we have trickle down ufology folks

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let's do our break with gene chris don

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show from sci-fi or anything else kurt

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remaining two segments chris here's a

3270
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question from a long time listener dave

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m

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goodness he's one of our longest

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posters

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um in fact it's one long post that's

3275
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been around for eight years

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well longest uh surviving posters i

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should say

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that has a dangerous feel to it 2007.

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well well true don your present company

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excluded obviously

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that's two years longer than me

3282
02:16:02,310 --> 02:15:59,360
anyway his question is and this is a

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good one some ufo slash paranormal

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writers and presenters seem to be making

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3286
02:16:11,189 --> 02:16:10,079
greer molten howe dolan massan come to

3287
02:16:13,510 --> 02:16:11,199
mind

3288
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:13,520
are these people just harder working

3289
02:16:17,270 --> 02:16:14,960
than the rest of us

3290
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:17,280
or are they just better schemers

3291
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:18,960
i'll start well you know some of those

3292
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:20,800
people sound like cult leaders to me so

3293
02:16:25,669 --> 02:16:22,639
they often see if they have uh have

3294
02:16:27,830 --> 02:16:25,679
built the following um i think also that

3295
02:16:30,229 --> 02:16:27,840
they're in the some of them are actually

3296
02:16:31,990 --> 02:16:30,239
in the business of being crowd pleasers

3297
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:32,000
and telling people what they want to

3298
02:16:37,830 --> 02:16:35,359
hear and uh and and really not

3299
02:16:40,150 --> 02:16:37,840
you know they i i could name a couple of

3300
02:16:43,110 --> 02:16:40,160
those names in particular but they uh

3301
02:16:45,349 --> 02:16:43,120
they they court their followers and

3302
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:45,359
someone wants to know about old billy

3303
02:16:49,509 --> 02:16:47,439
meyer for example you know they don't

3304
02:16:52,230 --> 02:16:49,519
want to knock anybody's story and they

3305
02:16:53,349 --> 02:16:52,240
just they want to everything is possible

3306
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:53,359
and i think

3307
02:16:58,070 --> 02:16:55,519
there's just too much corning fantasy in

3308
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:58,080
that and so that's

3309
02:17:03,669 --> 02:17:00,800
that's my negative answer on that

3310
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:03,679
how about you dogs i

3311
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:07,679
fully echo uh what kurt just said that

3312
02:17:13,429 --> 02:17:10,800
it's to me the reason that

3313
02:17:16,309 --> 02:17:13,439
they may be making a living more than

3314
02:17:20,230 --> 02:17:16,319
most other writers of these subjects

3315
02:17:23,110 --> 02:17:20,240
because instead of just um writing what

3316
02:17:25,509 --> 02:17:23,120
they believe to be true or what they can

3317
02:17:28,389 --> 02:17:25,519
prove or what they've researched they

3318
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:28,399
try to be all things to all people

3319
02:17:36,150 --> 02:17:34,230
that is in a way a kind of uh scattergun

3320
02:17:38,150 --> 02:17:36,160
approach they're going to get

3321
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:38,160
if you kind of

3322
02:17:42,549 --> 02:17:40,399
go with every idea that's out there if

3323
02:17:44,790 --> 02:17:42,559
you don't dismiss any case and stuff

3324
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,800
like that well then you're you're going

3325
02:17:50,629 --> 02:17:46,880
to be talking about

3326
02:17:51,990 --> 02:17:50,639
what someone is into and his mate which

3327
02:17:54,150 --> 02:17:52,000
may be different because you're

3328
02:17:55,750 --> 02:17:54,160
supporting it all instead of

3329
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:55,760
getting you know uh

3330
02:17:59,110 --> 02:17:58,000
separating the wheat from the chaff

3331
02:18:00,870 --> 02:17:59,120
so

3332
02:18:02,790 --> 02:18:00,880
possibly

3333
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:02,800
the the reason is

3334
02:18:06,389 --> 02:18:04,240
that they're trying to appeal to

3335
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:06,399
everyone deliberately doing it because

3336
02:18:17,270 --> 02:18:07,200
it's

3337
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:17,280
circuit

3338
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:18,000
not

3339
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:22,240
if they're all guilty of this um

3340
02:18:27,910 --> 02:18:24,559
career yes i've i've said for a long

3341
02:18:30,870 --> 02:18:27,920
time i think he has a kind of messiah

3342
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:30,880
personality complex i think he is a kind

3343
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:33,519
of leader of a cult even if he's

3344
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:34,880
you know not

3345
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:37,439
hidden away in some compound

3346
02:18:42,230 --> 02:18:40,639
and uh you're being kind guys yes

3347
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:42,240
and all this stuff but

3348
02:18:46,150 --> 02:18:43,760
you know i just

3349
02:18:47,589 --> 02:18:46,160
the fact that he sets himself up as

3350
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:47,599
somebody who can

3351
02:18:52,309 --> 02:18:48,479
teach

3352
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,319
someone else to be a galactic ambassador

3353
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,240
and charge you i don't know five

3354
02:18:57,429 --> 02:18:56,639
thousand dollars to join him in a field

3355
02:19:00,070 --> 02:18:57,439
and

3356
02:19:00,790 --> 02:19:00,080
uh flash lasers lights up at the stars

3357
02:19:02,150 --> 02:19:00,800
and

3358
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,160
just to

3359
02:19:07,830 --> 02:19:04,639
just the way he talks you know he he'll

3360
02:19:10,469 --> 02:19:07,840
he'll drop names like the best to them

3361
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:10,479
like yes like i was saying to the you

3362
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,559
know chief of the defense staff or you

3363
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:15,040
know when i briefed such and such a

3364
02:19:18,230 --> 02:19:16,719
person and some of these people have

3365
02:19:19,990 --> 02:19:18,240
come back and said no you didn't you

3366
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:20,000
just happen to be sitting next to me at

3367
02:19:22,950 --> 02:19:21,920
some dinner function and

3368
02:19:25,110 --> 02:19:22,960
he's a

3369
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:25,120
con artist of the

3370
02:19:29,270 --> 02:19:26,800
finest caliber

3371
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:29,280
because there are people who support him

3372
02:19:35,589 --> 02:19:30,399
um

3373
02:19:38,070 --> 02:19:35,599
about uh some people in the field the

3374
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:38,080
ones who seem to be successful that they

3375
02:19:45,190 --> 02:19:38,880
they

3376
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:45,200
all things and as kurt just mentioned

3377
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,559
when we were off here for a second that

3378
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:50,720
we're not hitting on

3379
02:19:55,030 --> 02:19:51,520
uh

3380
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:55,040
the average you know author researcher

3381
02:19:58,870 --> 02:19:55,920
who's

3382
02:20:00,630 --> 02:19:58,880
trying to honestly research this topic

3383
02:20:02,710 --> 02:20:00,640
and make a bit of money off it

3384
02:20:05,270 --> 02:20:02,720
everyone's got to eat and pay rent or

3385
02:20:06,790 --> 02:20:05,280
whatever so yeah but we're certainly not

3386
02:20:09,910 --> 02:20:06,800
saying there's anything wrong with that

3387
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,920
making money off it if you can that's

3388
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:11,760
brilliant but

3389
02:20:16,230 --> 02:20:13,280
from what i hear

3390
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:16,240
the vast majority don't and they need

3391
02:20:19,670 --> 02:20:17,760
day jobs and

3392
02:20:23,510 --> 02:20:19,680
you know whatever there's very few

3393
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,520
people getting rich off of ufos

3394
02:20:26,950 --> 02:20:25,840
and those that are be aware

3395
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:26,960
yes

3396
02:20:29,910 --> 02:20:28,240
mostly

3397
02:20:32,870 --> 02:20:29,920
well here here's another question this

3398
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:32,880
one comes from angelo who uh angel of

3399
02:20:37,190 --> 02:20:35,200
lauren is one of our moderators here at

3400
02:20:38,309 --> 02:20:37,200
form.theparacast.com

3401
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,319
where you

3402
02:20:43,030 --> 02:20:40,800
the listener can post questions of our

3403
02:20:45,030 --> 02:20:43,040
guests and

3404
02:20:46,790 --> 02:20:45,040
he wants to know what your families

3405
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:46,800
think about your interest in this

3406
02:20:52,309 --> 02:20:48,160
subject

3407
02:20:54,230 --> 02:20:52,319
and

3408
02:20:58,070 --> 02:20:54,240
his second question is why do you think

3409
02:21:01,910 --> 02:21:00,070
are you sure we can answer all these two

3410
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:01,920
questions in the next

3411
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:03,680
15 minutes

3412
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:06,080
well yeah that's a bit of a stretch

3413
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:09,040
his follow-up is as what can we do to

3414
02:21:14,309 --> 02:21:11,120
keep harmony amongst

3415
02:21:15,830 --> 02:21:14,319
these divergent viewpoints in the field

3416
02:21:18,070 --> 02:21:15,840
let me answer that one because i haven't

3417
02:21:20,309 --> 02:21:18,080
really answered any questions here today

3418
02:21:21,349 --> 02:21:20,319
my answer to the last part is don't say

3419
02:21:23,270 --> 02:21:21,359
anything

3420
02:21:25,510 --> 02:21:23,280
because as soon as you open your mouth

3421
02:21:27,110 --> 02:21:25,520
someone will disagree with you as far as

3422
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:27,120
family concerns

3423
02:21:31,990 --> 02:21:29,040
my wife is interested in the subject but

3424
02:21:34,150 --> 02:21:32,000
doesn't read ufo books she actually saw

3425
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:34,160
something weird once or twice in her

3426
02:21:36,950 --> 02:21:35,200
life

3427
02:21:39,830 --> 02:21:36,960
my son grayson

3428
02:21:41,429 --> 02:21:39,840
read one ufo book in his entire life it

3429
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:41,439
was something written by

3430
02:21:46,230 --> 02:21:43,760
kurt sutherly who is someone who's been

3431
02:21:49,590 --> 02:21:46,240
on the show before a ufo investigator

3432
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:49,600
and journalist from pennsylvania

3433
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,000
so that's my family my late brother

3434
02:21:56,710 --> 02:21:54,640
wally if you look up wallace herbert

3435
02:21:58,230 --> 02:21:56,720
steinberg on google you'll find out who

3436
02:22:00,309 --> 02:21:58,240
he was

3437
02:22:02,469 --> 02:22:00,319
he got me interested in ufos in the

3438
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:02,479
first place by leaving a copy of one of

3439
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:05,280
major keo's books on his coffee table

3440
02:22:09,670 --> 02:22:07,040
in his apartment back in brooklyn new

3441
02:22:11,429 --> 02:22:09,680
york many thousands of years ago so

3442
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:11,439
that's it about the family i don't think

3443
02:22:14,630 --> 02:22:13,439
he took it seriously though i think he

3444
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:14,640
did that as

3445
02:22:18,309 --> 02:22:16,160
kind of a joke

3446
02:22:20,830 --> 02:22:18,319
so chris will ask you how about your

3447
02:22:25,110 --> 02:22:23,190
well i don't really have much family

3448
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:25,120
left i mean i lost my brother who was

3449
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:26,000
really

3450
02:22:29,510 --> 02:22:27,600
interested

3451
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:29,520
in all these subjects and was quite

3452
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:32,479
integral in my process but

3453
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:34,399
you know he didn't go the extra mile he

3454
02:22:38,150 --> 02:22:35,920
didn't do the research he didn't do the

3455
02:22:41,349 --> 02:22:38,160
writing that sort of thing but boy when

3456
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:41,359
i needed somebody there to go out on an

3457
02:22:46,710 --> 02:22:44,000
investigation he was always there

3458
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:46,720
his dog cato was one of my primary

3459
02:22:51,429 --> 02:22:49,600
uh field investigators for uh the

3460
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:51,439
unexplained livestock death phenomenon

3461
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:52,800
but

3462
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:55,120
you know my dad as soon as he knew i was

3463
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,800
getting involved in this kind of you

3464
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,319
know with both feet

3465
02:23:01,590 --> 02:23:00,319
he backtracked on a story that he told

3466
02:23:03,670 --> 02:23:01,600
us

3467
02:23:06,790 --> 02:23:03,680
about being in the coast guard in puget

3468
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:06,800
sound in 1946 and 47

3469
02:23:11,110 --> 02:23:09,040
and observing on their brand new radar

3470
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:11,120
unit on their coast guard cutter

3471
02:23:15,990 --> 02:23:13,040
objects going in and out of the straits

3472
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:16,000
of juan de fuca in uh puget sound

3473
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:18,479
he totally denied he ever well he didn't

3474
02:23:22,550 --> 02:23:20,399
really deny it he just would not answer

3475
02:23:23,830 --> 02:23:22,560
the question when i asked him about it

3476
02:23:25,349 --> 02:23:23,840
years later

3477
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:25,359
so you know

3478
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:28,080
i mean i've always been the odd duck uh

3479
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:29,760
and that's okay

3480
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:31,520
you know it's it's a tough job somebody

3481
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:32,800
has got to do it

3482
02:23:36,950 --> 02:23:34,560
and i don't really uh to be honest with

3483
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,960
you family members friends

3484
02:23:40,070 --> 02:23:38,960
um people that that know me over the

3485
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:40,080
years

3486
02:23:43,990 --> 02:23:42,160
they all accept me for who i am they

3487
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:44,000
don't judge me they know i'm a pretty

3488
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:45,439
intelligent guy

3489
02:23:50,550 --> 02:23:48,240
that um i don't squander my time

3490
02:23:52,870 --> 02:23:50,560
unnecessarily on intellectual pursuits

3491
02:23:54,630 --> 02:23:52,880
so i've never really had any sort of

3492
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:54,640
issues about that a couple of

3493
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:56,640
girlfriends have sort of looked at me

3494
02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:58,960
askance and said well

3495
02:24:01,670 --> 02:24:00,319
do you think you can maybe be a little

3496
02:24:03,670 --> 02:24:01,680
bit more uh

3497
02:24:05,429 --> 02:24:03,680
productive with that time come up with

3498
02:24:08,309 --> 02:24:05,439
some great theory that's going to blast

3499
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this thing wide open and like yeah

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[Music]

3604
02:28:50,790 --> 02:28:47,040
hi it's grant cameron from presidential

3605
02:28:58,790 --> 02:28:50,800
ufo.com you're listening to the paracast

3606
02:29:04,389 --> 02:29:01,349
so we've been asking about one's family

3607
02:29:06,389 --> 02:29:04,399
reaction to the interest in ufos i

3608
02:29:09,349 --> 02:29:06,399
answered chris o'brien answered we've

3609
02:29:12,150 --> 02:29:09,359
got gogs makai we have kurt collins we

3610
02:29:14,790 --> 02:29:12,160
have don ecker now don of course we know

3611
02:29:15,990 --> 02:29:14,800
that your wife vicki works with you on

3612
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:16,000
ufos

3613
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:18,479
what else can you tell us about families

3614
02:29:23,429 --> 02:29:21,680
well she doesn't anymore as a matter of

3615
02:29:27,190 --> 02:29:23,439
fact often

3616
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:27,200
she will chide me for being still being

3617
02:29:31,750 --> 02:29:29,920
interested in in the topic and as i've

3618
02:29:33,750 --> 02:29:31,760
told her many times

3619
02:29:37,030 --> 02:29:33,760
i said look

3620
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:37,040
i got sick of dealing with all the

3621
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:40,319
wackadoos in the field but

3622
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:43,200
that has never tempered

3623
02:29:49,910 --> 02:29:46,880
how i feel about the topic itself hey i

3624
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:49,920
had a couple of sightings of something

3625
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:53,920
they have stuck in my mind forever so

3626
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:57,120
yeah i am still fascinated

3627
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:00,080
by the real material surrounding this

3628
02:30:05,270 --> 02:30:02,560
subject it's just you know it's kind of

3629
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:05,280
like religion the whole idea of a

3630
02:30:09,030 --> 02:30:06,960
supreme deity

3631
02:30:11,750 --> 02:30:09,040
is a great idea

3632
02:30:14,389 --> 02:30:11,760
it's just when people get involved that

3633
02:30:17,110 --> 02:30:14,399
everything gets fouled up the same thing

3634
02:30:20,070 --> 02:30:17,120
with the ufo topic it's a it's a

3635
02:30:23,030 --> 02:30:20,080
fascinating topic it's just when you

3636
02:30:26,150 --> 02:30:23,040
have all these peripheral elements

3637
02:30:28,389 --> 02:30:26,160
polluting the swimming pool that it gets

3638
02:30:31,190 --> 02:30:28,399
messy so there you go

3639
02:30:32,790 --> 02:30:31,200
kurt you're next i didn't really make my

3640
02:30:34,710 --> 02:30:32,800
interest public

3641
02:30:36,389 --> 02:30:34,720
but eventually the family found out you

3642
02:30:38,389 --> 02:30:36,399
know my wife knew but you know my

3643
02:30:41,110 --> 02:30:38,399
sisters didn't and

3644
02:30:42,630 --> 02:30:41,120
their uh opinion initially was kind of

3645
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,640
colored by this stuff that don was

3646
02:30:46,790 --> 02:30:44,479
talking about they basically you know

3647
02:30:48,389 --> 02:30:46,800
knew it ufos from the media and the the

3648
02:30:50,550 --> 02:30:48,399
kind of ridiculous treatment it gets in

3649
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:50,560
the news and so they said well you're

3650
02:30:54,950 --> 02:30:52,800
interested in this ufo stuff and they

3651
02:30:56,389 --> 02:30:54,960
meant that in the worst way you know the

3652
02:30:58,230 --> 02:30:56,399
junk so

3653
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:58,240
you know after explaining it to them

3654
02:31:02,389 --> 02:30:59,600
they understood better they read a

3655
02:31:05,030 --> 02:31:02,399
little bit of my work but it's still

3656
02:31:07,910 --> 02:31:05,040
weird to them and these are weird girls

3657
02:31:12,309 --> 02:31:09,670
they have they have some nutty interests

3658
02:31:14,309 --> 02:31:12,319
of their own so uh it wasn't something

3659
02:31:16,710 --> 02:31:14,319
that was easily accepted but i wouldn't

3660
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:16,720
say it caused any friction in the family

3661
02:31:21,910 --> 02:31:19,760
cogs as far as i know i'm the only

3662
02:31:24,070 --> 02:31:21,920
person in my kind of

3663
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:24,080
immediate family or even a bit more

3664
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,280
extended

3665
02:31:30,070 --> 02:31:27,520
that's interesting this topic

3666
02:31:32,230 --> 02:31:30,080
none of them think i'm strange for being

3667
02:31:33,990 --> 02:31:32,240
interested they're quite supportive in

3668
02:31:35,910 --> 02:31:34,000
their own way but i know they're not

3669
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:35,920
very interested you know you try to

3670
02:31:40,630 --> 02:31:38,399
explain something and they pay attention

3671
02:31:42,389 --> 02:31:40,640
for 10 seconds and then the eyes glaze

3672
02:31:44,070 --> 02:31:42,399
over and whatever

3673
02:31:46,710 --> 02:31:44,080
some friends

3674
02:31:48,309 --> 02:31:46,720
i know are kind of modest moderately

3675
02:31:50,710 --> 02:31:48,319
interested and every now and then i'll

3676
02:31:52,389 --> 02:31:50,720
get a text message because somebody's

3677
02:31:54,150 --> 02:31:52,399
just saw something on the discovery

3678
02:31:56,469 --> 02:31:54,160
channel and they'll ask my opinion

3679
02:31:58,790 --> 02:31:56,479
because to these people

3680
02:32:01,030 --> 02:31:58,800
i i'd be known as the guy who's most

3681
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:01,040
likely to to know

3682
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:03,200
about these kind of topics so some

3683
02:32:08,150 --> 02:32:05,680
people come to me kind of for

3684
02:32:09,510 --> 02:32:08,160
verification of things is this true do

3685
02:32:12,469 --> 02:32:09,520
you think this

3686
02:32:14,469 --> 02:32:12,479
whatever but um i've i've never ever

3687
02:32:15,429 --> 02:32:14,479
encountered anything negative no one has

3688
02:32:17,429 --> 02:32:15,439
ever

3689
02:32:20,550 --> 02:32:17,439
gave me the idea that they thought i was

3690
02:32:23,030 --> 02:32:20,560
you know an idiot for wasting time in

3691
02:32:25,750 --> 02:32:23,040
this topic and there's no one in the

3692
02:32:28,469 --> 02:32:25,760
world that i would be hesitant to admit

3693
02:32:30,469 --> 02:32:28,479
this to because if anyone had anything

3694
02:32:32,710 --> 02:32:30,479
kind of negative to say i'll just ask

3695
02:32:35,429 --> 02:32:32,720
them the classic question you know what

3696
02:32:37,990 --> 02:32:35,439
what research have you done and that

3697
02:32:40,070 --> 02:32:38,000
would probably just shoot them down if

3698
02:32:42,630 --> 02:32:40,080
not all the better because then they can

3699
02:32:45,429 --> 02:32:42,640
tell us why they think what they think

3700
02:32:47,590 --> 02:32:45,439
i'm quite happy talking to the skeptical

3701
02:32:50,309 --> 02:32:47,600
viewpoint but no i've never come across

3702
02:32:53,270 --> 02:32:50,319
a negative attitude just just people

3703
02:32:55,030 --> 02:32:53,280
being disinterested the subject of why

3704
02:32:57,590 --> 02:32:55,040
there's so much infighting in the ufo

3705
02:32:59,190 --> 02:32:57,600
field will consume several episodes and

3706
02:33:01,590 --> 02:32:59,200
maybe we'll get into some of that chris

3707
02:33:03,670 --> 02:33:01,600
and i when we do this week's episode of

3708
02:33:05,429 --> 02:33:03,680
after the power cast but i think anytime

3709
02:33:06,469 --> 02:33:05,439
you have a subject that's

3710
02:33:09,510 --> 02:33:06,479
controversial

3711
02:33:12,309 --> 02:33:09,520
that's polarizing people will disagree

3712
02:33:13,270 --> 02:33:12,319
and the other thing is that people who

3713
02:33:15,670 --> 02:33:13,280
can

3714
02:33:17,990 --> 02:33:15,680
speak up anonymously or

3715
02:33:19,429 --> 02:33:18,000
from the sanctity of their

3716
02:33:22,389 --> 02:33:19,439
keyboards

3717
02:33:24,630 --> 02:33:22,399
or touch screens will be more apt

3718
02:33:25,990 --> 02:33:24,640
to be more emotional in the way they

3719
02:33:27,670 --> 02:33:26,000
treat others because they feel there's

3720
02:33:28,630 --> 02:33:27,680
nobody there who's going to fight back

3721
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:28,640
you know if you're just writing

3722
02:33:33,030 --> 02:33:31,200
something down and it goes out online

3723
02:33:35,750 --> 02:33:33,040
there are no consequences of course

3724
02:33:37,030 --> 02:33:35,760
there are but that's the illusion anyway

3725
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:37,040
what do you think

3726
02:33:41,510 --> 02:33:38,720
kurt because you've seen so much of it

3727
02:33:43,429 --> 02:33:41,520
yourself about the infighting we're

3728
02:33:45,190 --> 02:33:43,439
stuck with it aren't we well i think so

3729
02:33:47,190 --> 02:33:45,200
but you know first of all let's not

3730
02:33:48,630 --> 02:33:47,200
pretend that this is something unique to

3731
02:33:50,870 --> 02:33:48,640
ufos

3732
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:50,880
what you said earlier is absolutely true

3733
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:51,760
and

3734
02:33:56,150 --> 02:33:54,720
some of the most vicious fights are you

3735
02:33:59,110 --> 02:33:56,160
know some of it is is really a

3736
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:59,120
territorial issue you know if the people

3737
02:34:02,309 --> 02:34:00,640
have been out in a while can go back and

3738
02:34:04,870 --> 02:34:02,319
look at the feud between uh you know

3739
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:04,880
apro and mufon and you know it was like

3740
02:34:08,550 --> 02:34:06,479
you know you hey you're stealing my

3741
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:08,560
members or you're you know you're you're

3742
02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:10,720
in encroaching on a case that we're

3743
02:34:14,150 --> 02:34:12,640
studying and you know things like that

3744
02:34:16,550 --> 02:34:14,160
it's a matter of uh

3745
02:34:19,110 --> 02:34:16,560
of uh well also the material the the

3746
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:19,120
good cases are really rare you know they

3747
02:34:23,590 --> 02:34:20,720
want to take possession of them and they

3748
02:34:25,990 --> 02:34:23,600
don't want to share so some of it is is

3749
02:34:28,230 --> 02:34:26,000
really a matter of jealousy i think

3750
02:34:31,429 --> 02:34:28,240
yeah proprietary issues one of the

3751
02:34:34,710 --> 02:34:31,439
questions was mentioning how we could uh

3752
02:34:37,429 --> 02:34:34,720
try and keep the forum more harmonious

3753
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:37,439
and i've always said that i realize

3754
02:34:42,630 --> 02:34:40,160
there's a reason why some people um

3755
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:42,640
don't want to give their real name or

3756
02:34:47,750 --> 02:34:44,960
whatever when they are taking part in a

3757
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:47,760
forum on this kind of topic but

3758
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:50,080
i know it won't happen but i just know

3759
02:34:54,469 --> 02:34:51,920
that the forum would be far more

3760
02:34:55,830 --> 02:34:54,479
harmonious if people had to use their

3761
02:34:57,910 --> 02:34:55,840
real name

3762
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:57,920
and maybe a picture and stuff because if

3763
02:35:01,830 --> 02:34:59,680
we all these people that are fighting in

3764
02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:01,840
the forum if we had them in the same

3765
02:35:06,790 --> 02:35:04,319
room i doubt they'd be so much bravado

3766
02:35:08,550 --> 02:35:06,800
on the go yeah well i have to say this

3767
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:08,560
without mentioning names and we're not

3768
02:35:12,230 --> 02:35:09,680
going to do that

3769
02:35:14,550 --> 02:35:12,240
some of those forum members who have

3770
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:14,560
been involved in some of the

3771
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:17,040
fights in fighting use their names it

3772
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:19,280
doesn't make a difference don

3773
02:35:23,510 --> 02:35:20,800
it's one of those

3774
02:35:26,469 --> 02:35:23,520
topics that absolutely

3775
02:35:29,270 --> 02:35:26,479
has no verifiable

3776
02:35:32,389 --> 02:35:29,280
solution so what you're dealing with for

3777
02:35:36,230 --> 02:35:32,399
the most part as a rule is people's

3778
02:35:38,230 --> 02:35:36,240
opinion and as we all know uh especially

3779
02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:38,240
when you're talking about a field like

3780
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:40,240
this you have a lot of people with a lot

3781
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:42,080
of strong opinions

3782
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:45,359
conflict is unfortunately

3783
02:35:50,389 --> 02:35:48,080
inevitable so you know over the years i

3784
02:35:53,590 --> 02:35:50,399
gotta tell you i've i've kind of learned

3785
02:35:56,070 --> 02:35:53,600
to somewhat hold my piece if i see

3786
02:35:59,110 --> 02:35:56,080
somebody that's really talking a lot of

3787
02:36:01,990 --> 02:35:59,120
foolishness these days more often than

3788
02:36:04,309 --> 02:36:02,000
not i'll just hold my own counsel but

3789
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:04,319
there's there's really guys there's not

3790
02:36:10,309 --> 02:36:06,800
a heck of a lot you can do about it it's

3791
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:10,319
gonna happen and you either get on with

3792
02:36:13,590 --> 02:36:11,439
it or

3793
02:36:15,110 --> 02:36:13,600
you know you get away from it that it's

3794
02:36:17,270 --> 02:36:15,120
pretty simple

3795
02:36:19,750 --> 02:36:17,280
as far as i'm concerned there you go

3796
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:19,760
folks no resolution but maybe we can

3797
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,960
figure out how to respond to the

3798
02:36:26,550 --> 02:36:25,280
question can't we all

3799
02:36:28,230 --> 02:36:26,560
get along

3800
02:36:29,750 --> 02:36:28,240
that's it folks don ecker can you tell

3801
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:29,760
our listeners where we can find more of

3802
02:36:33,030 --> 02:36:31,439
the stuff that you do

3803
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:33,040
absolutely

3804
02:36:37,750 --> 02:36:34,479
i have a

3805
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:37,760
fairly large facebook presence up on

3806
02:36:42,550 --> 02:36:40,319
facebook also is the

3807
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:42,560
dark matters radio and don ecker fan

3808
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:43,760
page

3809
02:36:49,030 --> 02:36:46,160
dark matters radio is

3810
02:36:52,550 --> 02:36:49,040
run monday through friday on cyber

3811
02:36:57,030 --> 02:36:52,560
station usa out of boston mass

3812
02:36:58,790 --> 02:36:57,040
and uh you know uh just plug dmr or dark

3813
02:37:01,910 --> 02:36:58,800
matters radio

3814
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:01,920
into any search engine and uh you'll

3815
02:37:07,110 --> 02:37:04,880
find out our archives are very extensive

3816
02:37:09,429 --> 02:37:07,120
going back literally years

3817
02:37:11,510 --> 02:37:09,439
and we'll see on the radio

3818
02:37:13,670 --> 02:37:11,520
kurt collins can you tell our listeners

3819
02:37:15,590 --> 02:37:13,680
where we can find more of your stuff

3820
02:37:20,230 --> 02:37:15,600
lots of articles and research on the

3821
02:37:22,469 --> 02:37:20,240
cash landrum case at blueblurrylines.com

3822
02:37:24,550 --> 02:37:22,479
cox you don't have a blog yet do you

3823
02:37:26,710 --> 02:37:24,560
no and i probably never will but as

3824
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:26,720
always i'm very approachable on the

3825
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:27,920
forums

3826
02:37:32,790 --> 02:37:30,479
at forum.thepowercast.com

3827
02:37:34,950 --> 02:37:32,800
let me tell you how to find us

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